Best tires????? - Page 2

Tydd · 05-07-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LazyJ

well i guess you now have the ability to find out dont you.....

I AM GOD HERE!!!!!!!!!!

LazyJ · 05-07-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tydd

I AM GOD HERE!!!!!!!!!!

dude your still logged in as you fool

LazyJ · 05-07-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LazyJ

dude your still logged in as you fool

LOL...OOPS....Forgive me. I'm still new to this god thing.

/Paul proclaiming he is god Take 2/

I AM GOD HERE!!!!!!!!

whitedevil · 05-07-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tydd

I AM GOD HERE!!!!!!!!!!

Nice Lawnmower Man Quote!!!

theduckllr · 05-07-2009, 10:03 AM

I suspect CMS1172 has learned his lesson about NOT asking for usefull feedback regarding motorcyle questions on a this "motorcycle" forum.

And Lazy: YOU WIN!

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I can't possibly come up with a funnier comeback than you beating your chest about your riding abilities).

Tydd · 05-07-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by whitedevil

Nice Lawnmower Man Quote!!!

WOW Finally someone got it!!! Thank you.

LazyJ · 05-07-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by theduckllr

I suspect CMS1172 has learned his lesson about NOT asking for usefull feedback regarding motorcyle questions on a this "motorcycle" forum.

And Lazy: YOU WIN!

(

I can't possibly come up with a funnier comeback than you beating your chest about your riding abilities).

bout damn time you shut up.

and i dont recall doing any beating on my chest about any riding abilities...simply stated that yes...i can tell a difference in some things....

whitedevil · 05-07-2009, 10:47 AM

theduckllr · 05-07-2009, 05:53 PM

You mean you can tell the difference between your OEM tire and R R s? Wow! Holy crappola! Whats next, Capt Obvious? Can you smell your own farts too? Will wonders ever cease?!?

Next time you want to agree with me, just agree. It'll save you some frustration.

cms1172 · 05-07-2009, 06:57 PM

cms1172 · 06-23-2009, 12:15 PM

Best tires? well who gives us the best discounts on the tires?

bladed101 · 06-23-2009, 12:19 PM

Check motorcyclesuperstore.com they have great prices

stubby · 06-23-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cms1172

I was looking at getting new tires this summer, and was doing quite a bit of research, this is what pretty much everyone said.
http://www.canyonchasers.net/reviews...oad-attack.php
Has anyone else tried them besides me?
I know that everyone here runs Pilot Powers, but I need a commuter tire too, was looking at the 2CTs. Any feedback?

For commuting run a PP front and a Pilot Road 2 in the rear and you won't be disappointed. You will still get the grip of the PP, and still be able to hit the canyons at your normal pace while getting longer life from your rear tire.

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PP's aren't a great commuting tire from the stand point that they wear out fast compared to others. They are really sticky, have ferocious grip, heat up quick, etc, but you trade mileage to get that. I have heard of 8K+ miles out of a set which is probably reasonable if you don't ride like a bat out of hell or do track days.

I had a set of Metzlers on my CBR and they were great all around tires. I am not convinced the PP 2ct's are worth it. The dual compound is only on the outer edges of the tire, an area most of us will never use to its full extent. I would probably get regular PP's if I did it again. Nothing wrong with dual compound, just not something I will use to its full extent.

Don't get me wrong, PPs are amazing tires, there are just more economical choice if you're doing a lot of commuting.

Incorrect. The softer compound is the entire side minus the middle strip. If you lean your bike over slightly you will be using the softer compound. For commuting the 2ct will last the same time as a PP as the centers are the same compound. Now if you hit the canyons more often, then the tire might not last as long.

zaksgsx · 06-23-2009, 02:22 PM

I am running the Dunlop Qualifier right now. They seem to be pretty good. Haven't had a chance to take it out and get super low yet. I used to run PP and loved them. Guy i bought the bike back from had these qualifiers on them and said he liked them better.

Linker33 · 06-23-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bladed101

Check motorcyclesuperstore.com they have great prices

Quick shipping too.

Ming · 06-24-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stubby

Incorrect. The softer compound is the entire side minus the middle strip. If you lean your bike over slightly you will be using the softer compound.

I believe in the 1st post, he meant the same thing. kind of... Stubby your statement is also a bit incorrect. The 2CT "soft" compound is yes on the tire and not the sidewall, but the extent of the compound only is the outer 3/4" to 1" of rubber on sides of the tires. Many bikes I have seen run a 1" chicken strip... so technically leaning a bike over "slightly" will not be enough to use this softer compound.

For street I recommend PP's (2CT's are overrated), if you are a Pirelli fan, the Corsa 3's have very good reviews (a bit harder compound in the center and then for comparison purposes, I'd say PP sticky on the 2nd compound then 2CT sticky on the outside edge, I do like this tire better than the 2CT due to the 3 softer compounds that are higher up the side of the tire. The Pirelli's do have a different shape which makes turn in a bit slower than the PP or the 2CT, but on the track reviews state the Pirelli holds faster exit speeds. So give a little get a little.) I am not a commuter, so I would rather pay more for a tire and enjoy the rides I do take. So take this for what it's worth, spend some cash, buy a good tire!

stubby · 06-24-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ming

I believe in the 1st post, he meant the same thing. kind of... Stubby your statement is also a bit incorrect. The 2CT "soft" compound is yes on the tire and not the sidewall, but the extent of the compound only is the outer 3/4" to 1" of rubber on sides of the tires. Many bikes I have seen run a 1" chicken strip... so technically leaning a bike over "slightly" will not be enough to use this softer compound.

You need to check with the manufacturer as the soft compound is much more than what you are stating. The harder compound is only on the center section. I will take what the tire vendors and the tire makers say, as they actually know. The interweb is full of lies about only having 1" of soft compound, you can come look at the 2cts sitting in my garage if you want but that soft compound starts at the edge of the tire (not the sidewall) and goes up until it meets the center compound which is only in the center of the tire.

Matt · 06-26-2009, 04:19 PM

How did I miss this discussion again

Seems like once every 3 months this thread pops up

Don't have time to read all of these posts but Michelin Pilot Powers are the best tire ever made hands down! If I could put them on my F-150 I would...

Oh and they make great flower planters (Right Don?)

BuellCru · 06-26-2009, 10:35 PM

I read on another forum some bad reviews on the Dunlop Qualifiers. There were quite a few people that were low siding while running those tires.

stubby · 06-27-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BuellCru

I read on another forum some bad reviews on the Dunlop Qualifiers. There were quite a few people that were low siding while running those tires.

99% of all lowsides are caused by rider error and not the tires. Take whatever you read on in the interweb with a grain of salt.

Most of these guys that lowside and blame the tire haven't even set up suspenision, have chains too tight, and don't know what counter steering is.

If those tires really sucked, then Keith Code wouldn't run them on his bikes for the California Superbike School. I personally don't care for the qualifiers but they are still good tires.

Matt · 06-29-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stubby

99% of all lowsides are caused by rider error and not the tires. Take whatever you read on in the interweb with a grain of salt.

Most of these guys that lowside and blame the tire haven't even set up suspenision, have chains too tight, and don't know what counter steering is.

If those tires really sucked, then Keith Code wouldn't run them on his bikes for the California Superbike School. I personally don't care for the qualifiers but they are still good tires.

And they seem to take a bit longer to warm up than the others...

Ming · 06-29-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stubby

You need to check with the manufacturer as the soft compound is much more than what you are stating. The harder compound is only on the center section. I will take what the tire vendors and the tire makers say, as they actually know. The interweb is full of lies about only having 1" of soft compound, you can come look at the 2cts sitting in my garage if you want but that soft compound starts at the edge of the tire (not the sidewall) and goes up until it meets the center compound which is only in the center of the tire.

this is interesting stubby. check out michelins web page. not a forum. this is their page. is there something i'm not seeing? the softer compound looks to be exactly where i said it was...

http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/in...=pilotpower2ct

stubby · 06-29-2009, 10:57 PM

The compound goes up much higher than that picture shows. Google for the 2ct compound breakdown. I would look but am on an iphone at MMP, in a couple days when I get back I will look if I remember. If you want to see the compounds stop by, I have a set sitting in the garage.

Ming · 06-30-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stubby

The compound goes up much higher than that picture shows. Google for the 2ct compound breakdown.

Yes, the 2ct compound breakdown is awesome technology. and is used quite well i do say in the Pilot road 2's. These tires also incorporate the 2ct technology, but the rear tire takes total advantage of putting a harder compound directly in the center like you stated, then the majority of the tire is a softer compound at any lean angle. BUT, this is ONLY the case with the pilot road 2's. not the PP 2ct. They both use 2ct technology, they both have dual compound tires, but the difference is how much softer compound vs, harder compound on each tire. The PP 2ct shows the outer 11% of the tire is the softer compound, and on the pilot road 2 it is the outer 40% of the tire. here's the link for them both. I'm not trying to say the PP 2ct is a bad tire, it is a great tire, and has amazing technology behind it. but for the newbs (or vets) that think it is something it not, I just want to set em straight. Why would Michelin underplay and falsify information on their own page? i may have to do some PR work for them.

http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/in...=pilotpower2ct

http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/in...ent=pilotroad2

stubby · 06-30-2009, 09:58 PM

From a michelin site... the softer compound goes up the side of the tire. The green band is the softer compound.

Give Scott a call, but they aren't going to end the soft compound where your apex/acceleration band is at on the tire. Either way, believe what you want I have better things to do with my time. 2cts are great tires and they will last as long as PPs - it all depends upon what you are going to do with the bike. If you do track days, a great choice. If you are only going to street ride, a good choice but not needed as it won't do anything more for you unless you count the placebo effect.

e11charlie · 06-30-2009, 10:13 PM

Ok I have a question the two are obviously designed for two different things. One should be better for mostly track use one is good for mostly road use which is which? I know I know I am just stirring up the hornets nest.

cms1172 · 06-30-2009, 10:42 PM

OK now I know just buy a cheap set of tires and change often.

Ming · 07-01-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stubby

From a michelin site... the softer compound goes up the side of the tire. The green band is the softer compound.

Give Scott a call, but they aren't going to end the soft compound where your apex/acceleration band is at on the tire. Either way, believe what you want I have better things to do with my time. 2cts are great tires and they will last as long as PPs - it all depends upon what you are going to do with the bike. If you do track days, a great choice. If you are only going to street ride, a good choice but not needed as it won't do anything more for you unless you count the placebo effect.

stubby i'm not trying to argue if the tire is good or not. I think very highly of michelin tires. again in the pic you posted, the tire is a PILOT ROAD 2. look at it yourself. they both use 2ct technology. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME TIRE. Scott is a good guy, and knows a lot about tires, but NOT as much as michelin. I watched him mount a PP tire out at MMP and I personally had to tell him the front tire was on backwards. Ryan can attest to this, and the guy that he mounted the tire on for thanked me, because he didn't notice himself. If educating yourself is a waste of time, well... to each their own, but if you want the truth, ask michelin yourself, they will email you an answer to whatever you ask. they are a great company. and to agree with your 1st statement about ending the softer compound where they did, I think they should have brought it hight like they did in the pilot road 2, but they didn't, this is why i RECOMMEND the PP over the 2ct. BOTH are an awesome tire, but why pay more for something you barely use?

agree or disagree stubby, i'm not here to fight, just to educate.

Ming · 07-01-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by e11charlie

Ok I have a question the two are obviously designed for two different things. One should be better for mostly track use one is good for mostly road use which is which? I know I know I am just stirring up the hornets nest.

the 2ct is a street/track day tire, made specifically for supersports.

the pilot road 2 is a sport touring tire that uses 2ct technology to create an amazing sport touring tire, that will be sticky for the canyons, and durable in the center for the straight commutes. great for most applications.

Ming · 07-01-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cms1172

OK now I know just buy a cheap set of tires and change often.

well its a buell so i guess thats a good strategy...

cms1172 · 07-01-2009, 01:28 PM

Ok, with everyones advice, ordered cheap tires front and rear (Shinko Raven 009), from Motorcycle superstore (actually hear good things about them, SRY swears by them) bought a tire mounting machine from Harbor Freight Tools, all for less than one 2ct. So now can help with tire mounting for anyone who needs the help, and balance for free at Cycle Gear. Only charge a 6 pack a tire, sound fair?

Matt · 07-01-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cms1172

Ok, with everyones advice, ordered cheap tires front and rear (Shinko Raven 009), from Motorcycle superstore (actually hear good things about them, SRY swears by them) bought a tire mounting machine from Harbor Freight Tools, all for less than one 2ct. So now can help with tire mounting for anyone who needs the help, and balance for free at Cycle Gear. Only charge a 6 pack a tire, sound fair?

Awesome, I might be taking you up on that in the near future

stubby · 07-02-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ming

stubby i'm not trying to argue if the tire is good or not. I think very highly of michelin tires. again in the pic you posted, the tire is a PILOT ROAD 2. look at it yourself. they both use 2ct technology. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME TIRE. Scott is a good guy, and knows a lot about tires, but NOT as much as michelin. I watched him mount a PP tire out at MMP and I personally had to tell him the front tire was on backwards. Ryan can attest to this, and the guy that he mounted the tire on for thanked me, because he didn't notice himself. If educating yourself is a waste of time, well... to each their own, but if you want the truth, ask michelin yourself, they will email you an answer to whatever you ask. they are a great company. and to agree with your 1st statement about ending the softer compound where they did, I think they should have brought it hight like they did in the pilot road 2, but they didn't, this is why i RECOMMEND the PP over the 2ct. BOTH are an awesome tire, but why pay more for something you barely use?

agree or disagree stubby, i'm not here to fight, just to educate.

I'm not here to fight either. However I've probably owned more tires just this year than you have in the last 4 years. We use 2cts for wet tires, but the softer compound does go higher than what you think. As for the picture, it actually came from a PP 2ct tire page, however yes the tread design is for the Pilot Road 2.

As far as using them just for the street, I agree, stick with the PP. If you do track days along with street go with the 2cts. Then again most people don't run the correct air pressure and/or setup suspension correctly so no tire will actually work as designed in those circumstances... couple that with incorrect BP, bad/incorrect throttle control and it only makes the situation worse. Which again generates more false information like, oh those tires get greasy, or they just give away without any notice, etc...

e11charlie · 07-02-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cms1172

Ok, with everyones advice, ordered cheap tires front and rear (Shinko Raven 009), from Motorcycle superstore (actually hear good things about them, SRY swears by them) bought a tire mounting machine from Harbor Freight Tools, all for less than one 2ct. So now can help with tire mounting for anyone who needs the help, and balance for free at Cycle Gear. Only charge a 6 pack a tire, sound fair?

###t the PPs are cheap to me. Compared to the minumum found by chance on a discount web site for that meanstreak I was riding at $156 for the front alone and dont ask about the rear, These are way cheap. Iam so happy I got a new bike.

Matt · 07-02-2009, 01:06 PM

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###t the PPs are cheap to me. Compared to the minumum found by chance on a discount web site for that meanstreak I was riding at $156 for the front alone and dont ask about the rear, These are way cheap. Iam so happy I got a new bike.

Just wait until you see how quickly they are gone... Muahahahahahahahaha...

e11charlie · 07-02-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Just wait until you see how quickly they are gone... Muahahahahahahahaha...

That may be but I can just about buy 2 sets of those compared to the ones on the old bike. That alone makes me happy. Although I dont think I need the 2ct type tires yet so that makes the regular ones even cheaper.

bladed101 · 07-02-2009, 01:20 PM

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Just wait until you see how quickly they are gone... Muahahahahahahahaha...

I'm on my 2nd front and 3rd rear since Feb. of this year.

LazyJ · 07-06-2009, 02:35 PM

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=3137

bladed101 · 07-06-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cms1172

Ok, with everyones advice, ordered cheap tires front and rear (Shinko Raven 009), from Motorcycle superstore (actually hear good things about them, SRY swears by them) bought a tire mounting machine from Harbor Freight Tools, all for less than one 2ct. So now can help with tire mounting for anyone who needs the help, and balance for free at Cycle Gear. Only charge a 6 pack a tire, sound fair?

I have 3 tires I need changed not this Thursday but the next 16th of July or Friday the 17th, I just need one day to scrub them in before we leave for yellowstone. what kind of beer do you like?

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05-07-2009, 10:03 AM	#45
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 1,639 I Ride: Ducati Sport Classic Mono, BMW GS1200 Adventure	I suspect CMS1172 has learned his lesson about NOT asking for usefull feedback regarding motorcyle questions on a this "motorcycle" forum. And Lazy: YOU WIN! ( I can't possibly come up with a funnier comeback than you beating your chest about your riding abilities).

05-07-2009, 10:47 AM	#48
whitedevil Senior Member Joined: May 2008 From: Que Nah Posts: 5,821 I Ride: F4i CBR600

05-07-2009, 05:53 PM	#49
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 1,639 I Ride: Ducati Sport Classic Mono, BMW GS1200 Adventure	You mean you can tell the difference between your OEM tire and R R s? Wow! Holy crappola! Whats next, Capt Obvious? Can you smell your own farts too? Will wonders ever cease?!? Next time you want to agree with me, just agree. It'll save you some frustration.

05-07-2009, 06:57 PM	#50
cms1172 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: The Middle of Nowhere? Posts: 1,573 I Ride: Buell 1125CR

06-23-2009, 12:15 PM	#51
cms1172 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: The Middle of Nowhere? Posts: 1,573 I Ride: Buell 1125CR	Best tires? well who gives us the best discounts on the tires?

06-23-2009, 12:19 PM	#52
bladed101 Senior Member Joined: Oct 2008 From: Misawa, Japan Posts: 707 I Ride: 99 CBR600 F4	Check motorcyclesuperstore.com they have great prices

06-23-2009, 02:22 PM	#54
zaksgsx Member Joined: May 2009 From: Kuna, Idaho Posts: 62 I Ride: 2005 GSXR 600	I am running the Dunlop Qualifier right now. They seem to be pretty good. Haven't had a chance to take it out and get super low yet. I used to run PP and loved them. Guy i bought the bike back from had these qualifiers on them and said he liked them better.

06-26-2009, 04:19 PM	#58
Matt Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: Boise, Idaho Posts: 1,719 I Ride: 2006 Kawi Ninja ZX6R 636	How did I miss this discussion again Seems like once every 3 months this thread pops up Don't have time to read all of these posts but Michelin Pilot Powers are the best tire ever made hands down! If I could put them on my F-150 I would... Oh and they make great flower planters (Right Don?)

06-26-2009, 10:35 PM	#59
BuellCru Senior Member Joined: Apr 2009 From: Nampa Posts: 861 I Ride: Buell Firebolt XB12R	I read on another forum some bad reviews on the Dunlop Qualifiers. There were quite a few people that were low siding while running those tires.

06-29-2009, 10:57 PM	#63
stubby Senior Member Joined: Mar 2008 From: A boring place without any tracks Posts: 4,715 Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 08 GSXR1000 street 08 GSXR600 race bike 07 KTM 250xcw dirt 49cc Pocket bike	The compound goes up much higher than that picture shows. Google for the 2ct compound breakdown. I would look but am on an iphone at MMP, in a couple days when I get back I will look if I remember. If you want to see the compounds stop by, I have a set sitting in the garage.

06-30-2009, 10:13 PM	#66
e11charlie Senior Member Joined: May 2009 From: City of HUH? State of Euphoria Posts: 1,648 I Ride: 99' Kawasaki ZRX1100	Ok I have a question the two are obviously designed for two different things. One should be better for mostly track use one is good for mostly road use which is which? I know I know I am just stirring up the hornets nest.

06-30-2009, 10:42 PM	#67
cms1172 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: The Middle of Nowhere? Posts: 1,573 I Ride: Buell 1125CR	OK now I know just buy a cheap set of tires and change often.

07-01-2009, 01:28 PM	#71
cms1172 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: The Middle of Nowhere? Posts: 1,573 I Ride: Buell 1125CR	Ok, with everyones advice, ordered cheap tires front and rear (Shinko Raven 009), from Motorcycle superstore (actually hear good things about them, SRY swears by them) bought a tire mounting machine from Harbor Freight Tools, all for less than one 2ct. So now can help with tire mounting for anyone who needs the help, and balance for free at Cycle Gear. Only charge a 6 pack a tire, sound fair?

07-06-2009, 02:35 PM	#78
LazyJ Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: FUQ Posts: 8,062	http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=3137