dyno tuning

R1DON · 03-08-2010, 10:55 PM

so i need to go get my bike retuned in the next couple weeks. anyone else want to join up?

stubby · 03-08-2010, 11:07 PM

If you're paying, then sure

loopy · 03-08-2010, 11:19 PM

cost

??

Waldo · 03-08-2010, 11:30 PM

Location?

R1DON · 03-09-2010, 06:00 AM

they said 70/hr

m5james · 03-09-2010, 11:38 PM

Do they guarantee anything for this $70/hr, and can they be trusted?

R1DON · 03-10-2010, 06:23 AM

Guarantee? All they will be doing is tuning it.. what kind of guarantee would there be?

Gem STate ST · 03-10-2010, 07:03 AM

Who are you using?

mxroostin · 03-10-2010, 07:41 AM

When and where? How long does a normal tuning go? 2 hours 6 hours? I would like to wait until I get the new Airbox purchased and installed...

Can they be Trusted I understand, Guarantee? WTF...

m5james · 03-10-2010, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1DON

Guarantee? All they will be doing is tuning it.. what kind of guarantee would there be?

Guarantee was maybe a bad choice of words. I've been to various dyno shops in Seattle w/ both cars and bikes over the years, some good, some bad. I meant if they keep their equipment up to date, maintained for accurate readings, etc. One shop we went to in Kirkland basically "guaranteed" that using their equipment will net the best and most accurate results since they take care of their stuff, use a HUGE CFM fan as opposed to some WalMart floor fan, etc. Someone arranged another dyno event at another shop in Auburn (###thole town) and literally everyone complained and said they netted lower numbers vs other dyno shops they've used, not just the Kirkland on. Some shops may use old, outdated dyno's w/ potential software/hardware problems.

Does that answer your WTF Lynn?

mxroostin · 03-10-2010, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m5james

Guarantee was a bad choice of words. I've been to dyno shops in Seattle, some good, some bad. I meant if they keep their equipment up to date, maintained for accurate readings, etc. One shop I went to in Kirkland basically "guaranteed" that using their equipment will net the best results since they take care of their stuff vs some shops that may use old, outdated dyno's w/ potential software/hardware problems.

Does that answer your WTF Lynn?

NO..
do you think Don would go there, or promote going with him if it was a bad place...

Tits McGee · 03-10-2010, 08:01 AM

Yeah Lynn geezzz. What the heck.....j/k lol

Serious note Don is very very anal about who and where his bike is delt with.....everything will be ok promise

Ryan@IdahoSportBikes · 03-10-2010, 09:09 AM

I'm with Lynn, Don wouldn't let someone touch his bike if he thought they were idiots.

But we are talking about tuning a sportbike in Idaho.... You should of heard the responses I got when I called around asking to have my bike broke in on a dyno. DO WHAT TO YOUR NEW BIKE ON A DYNO?!?!? Then when I called the Salt Lake area Dynos the response was oh yeah we know exactly what you want.

m5james · 03-10-2010, 09:13 AM

I've met Don once @ the last meet and he's a very standup guy when we talked outside. I wasn't saying he'd recommend a bad place, I was asking a question.

Ryan@IdahoSportBikes · 03-10-2010, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m5james

I've met Don once @ the last meet and he's a very standup guy when we talked outside. I wasn't saying he'd recommend a bad place, I was asking a question.

I don't blame you for asking. I think you ask because you have experience tuning & know better than to just put your bike on anyones dyno.

Which is why I'd take mine out of state... No offense Idaho.

m5james · 03-10-2010, 09:47 AM

And that's why I asked about their "guarantee", if they can be trusted, etc. I wasn't doubting Don, I've just never been to one here. I'm still trying to find an AWD dyno around here, but it seems one doesn't exist.

Ryan@IdahoSportBikes · 03-10-2010, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m5james

And that's why I asked about their "guarantee", if they can be trusted, etc. I wasn't doubting Don, I've just never been to one here. I'm still trying to find an AWD dyno around here, but it seems one doesn't exist.

Salt Lake might have one & their altitude is so close to ours your bikes/cars will run virtually the same in Boise as they do there!

Damn it. I kinda thread jacked your thread Don... Sorry! Hey Everyone!!!! Go get your bikes tuned with Don!!!! There.... I feel better.

BLIZANTHIMUM · 03-10-2010, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan@IdahoSportBikes

Salt Lake might have one & their altitude is so close to ours your bikes/cars will run virtually the same in Boise as they do there!

Damn it. I kinda thread jacked your thread Don... Sorry! Hey Everyone!!!! Go get your bikes tuned with Don!!!! There.... I feel better.

sorry ryan thats a big negative.
SLC:
Minimum city elevation - 1284 meters (4210 feet)
Average city elevation - 1319 meters (4327 feet).
Maximum city elevation - 2870 meters (9410 feet)
Tooele, UT:
5,043 FT (1,537 M)
Boise, ID.
799 meters (2621 feet)

m5james · 03-10-2010, 10:18 AM

So what would be better for getting an AWD dyno done...higher elevation in SLC @ 4327 or Kirkland @ 14 when I'm going to be driving it in Boise 95% perfect of the time. I'm not having it tuned, I'm just wanting before/after numbers on a pre-VANOS intake manifold swap to post on my other forums. I would assume the lower elevation would net me higher numbers, and it's a shop I've used for tuning and dyno runs in the past on other vehicles.

m5james · 03-10-2010, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1DON

so i need to go get my bike retuned in the next couple weeks. anyone else want to join up?

I'd like to go just to watch. Where do you get it done at? I've used one dyno here in Boise and the shop has since been closed.

Ryan@IdahoSportBikes · 03-10-2010, 10:27 AM

HAHA! I stand corrected. Or maybe 2000 feet isn't a lot for a bike? All I know is another bike tuner told me to match his jetting (2 stroke) because others from Boise found their bikes ran great with the same tuning as the tuning he was doing to bikes in SLC. When I matched his settings the bike ran perfect! Also, others at MMP have told me the same thing.

I was thinking of compared to say, San Fran, CA vs Idaho. Which now that I'm looking isn't much different than SLC vs Idaho.

I simply believed tuning in SLC worked well for Idaho because I've done it and it worked well & other racers have done it and works well for them. I never actually compared but now I'm a bit surprised that with a 2000ft difference the bikes run so well here after being tuned there. Who knew?!!?

Maybe other weather conditions like humidity & average temps are similar to Boise & that's why bikes seem to still run well in Boise after being tuned in SLC??

Maybe it's the pollen count, number of cell phone towers, politics, ice cream shops, temples, & number of gummy bears per sq mile

m5james, you're right that you'd likely net higher HP closer to sea level. But your before and after numbers will still basically be the same gap in either city.

m5james · 03-10-2010, 10:29 AM

Maybe it's running better here than SLC since the air is thicker, so it's like free boost

Ryan@IdahoSportBikes · 03-10-2010, 10:37 AM

I have an idea!!! Tune your bike in SLC, then only ride in the mountains in Idaho to have the closest possible elevation! If you ride at bogus & lowman... you should be fine!

R1DON · 03-10-2010, 02:33 PM

Every dyno will put out a different number. I just want my air fuel set right, I'm running rich as hell after installing the new exhaust. When it warms up I will take it back to big twin and see if I made any improvements over my 156hp run last year

m5james · 03-10-2010, 03:23 PM

156HP...nice numbers. I was happy when I finally broke 135HP, but I think I run a little rich as well. I've go through plugs like mad, and have even tried cheating the system by going to hotter plugs to keep them from fouling. Once the NOS kit is installed, I definately need to get the bike tuned up.

I'd still like to go to take in the smells and noises whenever you go.

R1DON · 03-10-2010, 03:47 PM

Will most likely be next Saturday. Feel free to join up. Us ###holes need to stick together. Haha

Gem STate ST · 03-10-2010, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1DON

Every dyno will put out a different number. I just want my air fuel set right, I'm running rich as hell after installing the new exhaust. When it warms up I will take it back to big twin and see if I made any improvements over my 156hp run last year

When I called Big Twin two weeks ago they said the dyno would not be running until April.Think they wanted temps in the 70's.

R1DON · 03-10-2010, 04:23 PM

thats what they told me as well. which is why i will go there after i get the air fuel mixture set to compare dyno runs.

m5james · 03-10-2010, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1DON

Will most likely be next Saturday. Feel free to join up. Us ###holes need to stick together. Haha

turbo1261 · 03-10-2010, 05:23 PM

m5james. you also may want to try spark indexing

m5james · 03-10-2010, 05:27 PM

Whoa now...that's something I'm going to have to Google. Is that where I use a washer or something on the plug to point it towards the intake valve more?

I've upgraded my charging system from an old style R/R to a newer style MOSFET R/R, along w/ wiring the coils directly to the battery instead of the rats nest of poorly made wiring on this bike. It's improved my charging, throttle response and reduced the low RPM to full throttle stumble I had. I have yet to check the plugs again before this season, but I'm prepared since I have a new set sitting on my shelf.

R1DON · 03-18-2010, 04:46 PM

ok so i have done some talking with pro power performance and i am not real fond of the idea of leaving my bike there and trusting someone to be honest with the amount of time they actually spend on the bike tuning it. time to find a new place

Jermacide · 03-18-2010, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLIZANTHIMUM

sorry ryan thats a big negative.
SLC:
Minimum city elevation - 1284 meters (4210 feet)
Average city elevation - 1319 meters (4327 feet).
Maximum city elevation - 2870 meters (9410 feet)
Tooele, UT:
5,043 FT (1,537 M)
Boise, ID.
799 meters (2621 feet)

as it sits right now my R6 is tuned for tooele Ut. and runs like a pissed of ####h here in boise anywere i go...no pooping, crackling, or anything other than the occasional foot long flame throwing out of the pipe....

original plugs too with 10k miles too.

FastGas · 03-18-2010, 05:02 PM

Why don't you buy a datalogger and go into the tuning business?

theduckllr · 03-18-2010, 05:40 PM

I'm modding my bike to death this year. Dropping in the Lithium battery made me realize how much I love more power and less weight. This week I'm sorting the suspension for my lardy ass (finally!), with new springs and proper oil. Next I'm going for the widemouth venturis and oversized K&N Beast kit. My 12k service is coming up in May or June, so I figure it will be a great time to drop in high compression pistons or a 1080cc big bore kit. A dyno tune will be manditory to get the most out of it.

ChrisXAppleSauce · 03-18-2010, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theduckllr

I'm modding my bike to death this year. Dropping in the Lithium battery made me realize how much I love more power and less weight. This week I'm sorting the suspension for my lardy ass (finally!), with new springs and proper oil. Next I'm going for the widemouth venturis and oversized K&N Beast kit. My 12k service is coming up in May or June, so I figure it will be a great time to drop in high compression pistons or a 1080cc big bore kit. A dyno tune will be manditory to get the most out of it.

And windex......

theduckllr · 03-19-2010, 10:13 AM

You will be proud to note that just yesterday I washed my bike and got rid of all those bugs I killed in Grandview last October.

Jermacide · 03-19-2010, 10:20 AM

I havent washed my bike in two years....but i have let others clean it...

..i wonder if thats done anything for my power to weight ratio....oh wait...that was the 20+lbs i've dropped off my fat ass.....guess its time to re-tune the bike now.

theduckllr · 03-19-2010, 10:24 AM

When I told Fred at Big Twin that I wanted to increase the power to weight ratio on my bike, he suggested a StairMaster. Serves me right I guess.

Jermacide · 03-19-2010, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theduckllr

When I told Fred at Big Twin that I wanted to increase the power to weight ratio on my bike, he suggested a StairMaster. Serves me right I guess.

Stairmasters are an expensive upgrade.....I suggest $100 pair of jogging shoes and 5-600 less calories a day for the next lifetime.....oh and cut alcohol....i know they make funny cars run real fast off that ###t but all it does is make people real funny lookin.

03-08-2010, 10:55 PM	#1
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,615 I Ride: 08 zx10	dyno tuning so i need to go get my bike retuned in the next couple weeks. anyone else want to join up?

03-10-2010, 10:18 AM	#19
m5james Senior Member Joined: Sep 2007 From: Meridian - Blackcat and Ustick Posts: 665 I Ride: 01 TL1000R	So what would be better for getting an AWD dyno done...higher elevation in SLC @ 4327 or Kirkland @ 14 when I'm going to be driving it in Boise 95% perfect of the time. I'm not having it tuned, I'm just wanting before/after numbers on a pre-VANOS intake manifold swap to post on my other forums. I would assume the lower elevation would net me higher numbers, and it's a shop I've used for tuning and dyno runs in the past on other vehicles. Last edited by m5james; 03-11-2010 at 11:56 AM.

03-10-2010, 10:27 AM	#21
Ryan@IdahoSportBikes Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: Boise Posts: 2,044	HAHA! I stand corrected. Or maybe 2000 feet isn't a lot for a bike? All I know is another bike tuner told me to match his jetting (2 stroke) because others from Boise found their bikes ran great with the same tuning as the tuning he was doing to bikes in SLC. When I matched his settings the bike ran perfect! Also, others at MMP have told me the same thing. I was thinking of compared to say, San Fran, CA vs Idaho. Which now that I'm looking isn't much different than SLC vs Idaho. I simply believed tuning in SLC worked well for Idaho because I've done it and it worked well & other racers have done it and works well for them. I never actually compared but now I'm a bit surprised that with a 2000ft difference the bikes run so well here after being tuned there. Who knew?!!? Maybe other weather conditions like humidity & average temps are similar to Boise & that's why bikes seem to still run well in Boise after being tuned in SLC?? Maybe it's the pollen count, number of cell phone towers, politics, ice cream shops, temples, & number of gummy bears per sq mile m5james, you're right that you'd likely net higher HP closer to sea level. But your before and after numbers will still basically be the same gap in either city. Last edited by Ryan@IdahoSportBikes; 03-10-2010 at 10:34 AM.

03-10-2010, 05:27 PM	#31
m5james Senior Member Joined: Sep 2007 From: Meridian - Blackcat and Ustick Posts: 665 I Ride: 01 TL1000R	Whoa now...that's something I'm going to have to Google. Is that where I use a washer or something on the plug to point it towards the intake valve more? I've upgraded my charging system from an old style R/R to a newer style MOSFET R/R, along w/ wiring the coils directly to the battery instead of the rats nest of poorly made wiring on this bike. It's improved my charging, throttle response and reduced the low RPM to full throttle stumble I had. I have yet to check the plugs again before this season, but I'm prepared since I have a new set sitting on my shelf. Last edited by m5james; 03-10-2010 at 05:30 PM.

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03-08-2010, 11:07 PM	#2
stubby Senior Member Joined: Mar 2008 From: A boring place without any tracks Posts: 4,715 Blog Entries: 1 I Ride: 08 GSXR1000 street 08 GSXR600 race bike 07 KTM 250xcw dirt 49cc Pocket bike	If you're paying, then sure

03-08-2010, 11:19 PM	#3
loopy Senior Member Joined: Dec 2007 From: nampa Posts: 849 I Ride: 07 cbr 600rr	cost ??

03-08-2010, 11:30 PM	#4
Waldo Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: Caldwell Posts: 909 I Ride: 00 RC51, currently fixed but give it time i'm sure it will brake 90 ZX750-H2, 92 CR250, 93 CR250, 98 CR125, 98 CR80 BW and 90 Yamaha Phazer	Location?

03-09-2010, 06:00 AM	#5
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,615 I Ride: 08 zx10	they said 70/hr

03-09-2010, 11:38 PM	#6
m5james Senior Member Joined: Sep 2007 From: Meridian - Blackcat and Ustick Posts: 665 I Ride: 01 TL1000R	Do they guarantee anything for this $70/hr, and can they be trusted?

03-10-2010, 06:23 AM	#7
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,615 I Ride: 08 zx10	Guarantee? All they will be doing is tuning it.. what kind of guarantee would there be?

03-10-2010, 07:03 AM	#8
Gem STate ST Senior Member Joined: Jun 2008 From: K-Town Posts: 400 I Ride: 2006 ST1300A-02'Falco	Who are you using?

03-10-2010, 07:41 AM	#9
mxroostin Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: Meridian Posts: 956 I Ride: CBR 1000 RR	When and where? How long does a normal tuning go? 2 hours 6 hours? I would like to wait until I get the new Airbox purchased and installed... Can they be Trusted I understand, Guarantee? WTF...

03-10-2010, 08:01 AM	#12
Tits McGee Senior Member Joined: Aug 2009 From: Nampa Posts: 430 I Ride: R1DON	Yeah Lynn geezzz. What the heck.....j/k lol Serious note Don is very very anal about who and where his bike is delt with.....everything will be ok promise

03-10-2010, 09:09 AM	#13
Ryan@IdahoSportBikes Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: Boise Posts: 2,044	I'm with Lynn, Don wouldn't let someone touch his bike if he thought they were idiots. But we are talking about tuning a sportbike in Idaho.... You should of heard the responses I got when I called around asking to have my bike broke in on a dyno. DO WHAT TO YOUR NEW BIKE ON A DYNO?!?!? Then when I called the Salt Lake area Dynos the response was oh yeah we know exactly what you want.

03-10-2010, 09:13 AM	#14
m5james Senior Member Joined: Sep 2007 From: Meridian - Blackcat and Ustick Posts: 665 I Ride: 01 TL1000R	I've met Don once @ the last meet and he's a very standup guy when we talked outside. I wasn't saying he'd recommend a bad place, I was asking a question.

03-10-2010, 09:47 AM	#16
m5james Senior Member Joined: Sep 2007 From: Meridian - Blackcat and Ustick Posts: 665 I Ride: 01 TL1000R	And that's why I asked about their "guarantee", if they can be trusted, etc. I wasn't doubting Don, I've just never been to one here. I'm still trying to find an AWD dyno around here, but it seems one doesn't exist.

03-10-2010, 10:29 AM	#22
m5james Senior Member Joined: Sep 2007 From: Meridian - Blackcat and Ustick Posts: 665 I Ride: 01 TL1000R	Maybe it's running better here than SLC since the air is thicker, so it's like free boost

03-10-2010, 10:37 AM	#23
Ryan@IdahoSportBikes Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: Boise Posts: 2,044	I have an idea!!! Tune your bike in SLC, then only ride in the mountains in Idaho to have the closest possible elevation! If you ride at bogus & lowman... you should be fine!

03-10-2010, 02:33 PM	#24
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,615 I Ride: 08 zx10	Every dyno will put out a different number. I just want my air fuel set right, I'm running rich as hell after installing the new exhaust. When it warms up I will take it back to big twin and see if I made any improvements over my 156hp run last year

03-10-2010, 03:23 PM	#25
m5james Senior Member Joined: Sep 2007 From: Meridian - Blackcat and Ustick Posts: 665 I Ride: 01 TL1000R	156HP...nice numbers. I was happy when I finally broke 135HP, but I think I run a little rich as well. I've go through plugs like mad, and have even tried cheating the system by going to hotter plugs to keep them from fouling. Once the NOS kit is installed, I definately need to get the bike tuned up. I'd still like to go to take in the smells and noises whenever you go.

03-10-2010, 03:47 PM	#26
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,615 I Ride: 08 zx10	Will most likely be next Saturday. Feel free to join up. Us ###holes need to stick together. Haha

03-10-2010, 04:23 PM	#28
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,615 I Ride: 08 zx10	thats what they told me as well. which is why i will go there after i get the air fuel mixture set to compare dyno runs.

03-10-2010, 05:23 PM	#30
turbo1261 Member Joined: Aug 2009 From: boise Posts: 31	m5james. you also may want to try spark indexing

03-18-2010, 04:46 PM	#32
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,615 I Ride: 08 zx10	ok so i have done some talking with pro power performance and i am not real fond of the idea of leaving my bike there and trusting someone to be honest with the amount of time they actually spend on the bike tuning it. time to find a new place

03-18-2010, 05:02 PM	#34
FastGas Member Joined: Sep 2009 From: SLC Posts: 81	Why don't you buy a datalogger and go into the tuning business?

03-18-2010, 05:40 PM	#35
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 1,647 I Ride: Ducati Sport Classic Mono, BMW GS1200 Adventure	I'm modding my bike to death this year. Dropping in the Lithium battery made me realize how much I love more power and less weight. This week I'm sorting the suspension for my lardy ass (finally!), with new springs and proper oil. Next I'm going for the widemouth venturis and oversized K&N Beast kit. My 12k service is coming up in May or June, so I figure it will be a great time to drop in high compression pistons or a 1080cc big bore kit. A dyno tune will be manditory to get the most out of it.

03-19-2010, 10:13 AM	#37
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 1,647 I Ride: Ducati Sport Classic Mono, BMW GS1200 Adventure	You will be proud to note that just yesterday I washed my bike and got rid of all those bugs I killed in Grandview last October.

03-19-2010, 10:20 AM	#38
Jermacide Senior Member Joined: Feb 2010 From: id Posts: 360	I havent washed my bike in two years....but i have let others clean it... ..i wonder if thats done anything for my power to weight ratio....oh wait...that was the 20+lbs i've dropped off my fat ass.....guess its time to re-tune the bike now.

03-19-2010, 10:24 AM	#39
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 1,647 I Ride: Ducati Sport Classic Mono, BMW GS1200 Adventure	When I told Fred at Big Twin that I wanted to increase the power to weight ratio on my bike, he suggested a StairMaster. Serves me right I guess.