Pimpit

http://youtu.be/lij8bPdgP-k

Mikey

Overpriced.....

Pimpit

Maybe, but most new bikes are. I'm on the fence right now. claims 182hp
:drool:

RedStar

I hate the front end. They had an amazing look with 05-09. And now they are starting to look like shit.

r1bran

Looks better.. New bikes are way over priced. Only dealer gonna see over 13k from me is BMW

Pimpit

The more I watch the video the more I want it. I swore I would never buy new, but I don't think I wanna wait for someone else to buy one and decide to sell

r1bran

why not. Economy is perfect for that. Just wait for someone to gettin over their head and by a force sale. you will be able to find something with under 2000 miles 6 months after they're released and under 10 grand.

Pimpit

I know but they are rumored to not even release til around april. That means the end of next yr

theduckllr

FlyingDuc

^^^^^^^ thanks for the stiffy.

Cider

Now you too can own the chassis design that ruined Rossi's career!

Mikey

Hands On

Agreed. If buying new in that price range BMW all the way. Find a video.

Found one:

Pimpit

It's so sexy they can only show it with the lights off I knew a few girls like that. the only Duc I really liked was the 848, but I don't really care for Vtwins.
But I did like the gauges though

r1bran

Every manufactur releases their bikes at the same time every year. Usually.. Suzuki is weird.. they release the 600s first then few months later the 750s/1Ks come out.. Not sure when though... Buying new is moronic unless there blowing them out. I remember When I bought my 636 off the showroom in So Cal I found out that AFTER I got my cashiers check that the Gixxers were $9999.00 OTD that weekend....

stubby

Why?

So you would spend 13K on a bike that doesn't dominate in any race series including club level racing? For 13K I would be picking up a RSV4, or a RC8R. Just because a bike has the most stock HP, doesn't mean its the best bike.

As for looks who cares, its a sport bike, a race ready street legal bike. They aren't made for looks or comfort. Then again, nobody will use the power of a 600 on the street so in the end, what difference does it make what a manufacturer does to a bike between years, how much HP it has, or what kind of suspension is on the bike?

Scott get it. The 1000s always come out in the spring with Zuki.

Pimpit

I am strongly thinking about it. Have to see what happens in the spring. Also have to decide between selling the 06 or finding financing. I have plenty of time to decide though.

Hands On

Maybe you should have just stayed with your closing statement instead of singling me out and filling my mouth with words I didn't state. Good post though. Opinion noted.

DB Cooper

You opened up the flood gates for opinions on this one. Several different reasons to buy or not buy this bike.

After several different debates over what bike to buy, power issues VS. street, pricing, etc, here is what I think. The following is my opinion on several of the repeated subjects of buying a high performance sportbike.

If you're thinking about buying a Superbike with lights (any manufacturer) and the decision is based off of the bike winning races. Please take a look from a more global perspective. Europe, Canada, and Australia all have allot of racing going on in those countries. What bikes are winning over there? If you are going to race the bike then this may be a large factor in purchase decision.

The price of new bikes, well it takes allot of R&D to improve a bike. Are the bike manufacturers producing the same amount of bikes when the global economy was booming? Who pays for less production, R&D to improve, and the genral costs to stay in business? Who pays for this? We do. We also pay according to the value of the dollar.

With the performance you get out of a modern day sportbike you can't beat the bang for the buck ratio compared to buying a car with the same levels of performance. What car for the price of a 2012 GSXR1000RR is even comparable in performance for the same price? I know, comparing apples to oranges here. Can you even use all that power?

Being able to use all the power of a bike on the street is very debatable. What part of the power are we talking about? Corner speed, top end power, low end , and midrange power? A very generalized statement. My neighbor cannot use all the power of his Harley Davidson on the street either. His Dodge truck with that Hemi, more power there than the street can handle. What is the power limit for the street? Who determines this? At what HP is too much for the street? Seems to me self control is the real issue here if you have a high performance machine. If you buy a Honda Rebel 250 it looks like you do not need the high HP. If you are rockin the new GSXR1000RR, you like that power or maybe you just want to have it. Maybe you are a big guy 6'5" 250 lbs and need some motor under you to get you down the road. Lots of reasons here.

Now, we're starting to get off into the weeds way past left field fence to prove a point. With that said, lets reel this back into reality in Boise, Idaho.

Back to Boise, the bottom line is buy what you like and for the right reasons for your personal situation (likes, dislikes, finacial situation, better deal at this dealership, brand loyality, etc). If you decide to you buy it, enjoy that bike how ever you please and don't worry so much about other opinions on this forum.

r1bran

theduckllr

Or you can just get a used adventure bike that looks like the still born baby of a Transformer and a toaster after a hard night of party favors and smoked banana peels. It may be ugly, but it cuts a mean rug.

badass1000

182hp at the crank. Not the rear wheel. They will probably be about the same rear wheel hp as the 09-11's.
On suzuki street bikes. Generally if it is a new model it is released in april-may of the model year. If the model hasn't changed and it is just bold new graphics they can come out as early as august the year before.
Only time I can remember a exception on suzuki was the 08 busa. they had them done way early. they were selling them as early as sept of 07. Like it was a BNG model.

CBRF2Old

Crap! I hate it when I understand what you are saying.

yingxuy

They are not still looks comfortable. Then again, no one will street in order to use a 600 at the end of the power, what difference does it make between the years of bicycle manufacturers.

Old School R1 Rider

buy a r1

leostiger1

So why are you wanting one ~ what's special about this one..?

I'm with DB Cooper..!

I just don't get the point of these super high hp 4 bangers - you have to be at 9+ k to see the power & torque. So for the track, hell ya nothing is better, but for the street it's gotta be useless.. Well, maybe not useless but significantly less useful than a v-twin..

Crap, my soap box is crumbling in the rain..

An SV1000 would spank any 1k cc 4 banger around town.. Or not, I dunno but it sounds good.

ckholloway

I am going to agree with what most everyone said. The only exception would be you saying that you don't see any hp or torque until 9+k. Thats just not true. Ok well I will take that back. I can't speak for 1k guys. I know my busa feels like its pulling your arms out of the sockets from idle until you let off the throttle.
As far as useable hp, a 600cc is all anyone really needs. If you are using all the hp that 600cc has then you have already far exceeded the legal limits on any road.

Scott if you are looking at it from a drag race point of view, then as much as I hate to say (because I hate the look of the bike with a passion) the s1000rr is the bike to go with, just my opinion. That bike lays down crazy numbers on a chassis dyno right out of the create and is capable of much much more.

Pimpit

It isn't just about drag racing. I am loyal to GSXR. I have had a lot of bikes, and the GSXR is the first one I fell in love with and loved every one I have owned since. Normally I wouldn't even consider buying a new bike, but I really liked this one when I saw it. And as far as the bmw goes, there is no way I could rock one. I think they look like crap, not to mention I would hate the maintenance bill.
BTW I heard you were looking at the 2012 also. You thinking about buying one?

As Cory said before, my GSXR throws you to the back of your seat from about 5k+. Not to mention it's nice to not have to downshift to have the power to roll threw a corner. On the 600 I was wringing 3rd gear in corners, on the 1k, I still have enough power at 5 or 6 grand to feel comfortable through corners (though I prefer 4th depending on corners (this gear selection is based on LL rides and IC rides)). As far as what's so special, I just like it. It is the first bike since the 05 06 (my current bike) that I actually like the body style on, and kinda like some of the upgrades also

ckholloway

Well it was a thought. I have never rode a 1k so I'm not sure I would even like it, as far as riding position goes. I know I hated the feel of the r1 when I sat on it, wasn't sure how the gixxer felt because I have never sat on or rode one. I was thinking about it though. I would like to go 100% custom and BIG Turbo with the busa which would make it not so much fun in town so I need to make my mind up on something else as a daily bike first.

Pimpit

I know the new one is a little different, but you are more than welcome to try mine once it's back together, but you won't test ride one from edge without some cash though lol. They told me until the 11 sells they aren't bringing in a 12 unless it's preordered. That's the downside for me. I want to be able to see and sit on/ride before I put down cash

ckholloway

I'm the same way. Thanks for the offer, I may hold you to it.

leostiger1

I would like to do a comparison..

My TLR vs anyones 1k cc 4 banger/sewing machine ..

Going along in 2nd gear at 2k rpm side by side and at the same same time go to WOT. and see who gets to however fast that is or say 10k rpm..

Thoughts?

WHEN IT GETS WARMER ~ and maybe someone not as, 'gravitationally' challenged as myself should ride mine..

theduckllr

"Gravitationally challenged" might better describe your bike than you. Squaring off with your 500lb TLR porker up against a sub 400lb ZX10? Expect your midrange torque advantage to deminish quickly.

leostiger1

Wholey crap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ninja_ZX-10R

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_TL1000R

Okay, so there's a 50lb difference ~ I'm sure we can compare bellies amongst us to get the overall weight close.. Or bring scales..



BRING IT..!

Check this out for Giggles ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF-R1 (Only 20-25lbs light that the, ahem, better TLR)

Mikey

Uh oh.... I hear another sc session coming on!! Hell for shyts and giggles I'll run you on my 600 marcos. What are the chances the cops will show up and catch me twice??

ckholloway

Mine is not a 1k obviously and unfortunately I never get to Boise on the bike. Your bike is a nice looking bike and I have nothing against the tiller but you talk a big game my friend. I have no doubt you would get the jump on about any 4 cylinder in second gear at 2k. Lets just say you and I put our bikes together in that situation, in the (just a guess cause I've never timed it) 1.5 seconds it for me to get 2500rpm you had better be able cover some serious ground because I'm gonna be coming up right behind you, by the time I hit 3k (roughly) another 1 seconds I'm gonna be by you so fast you wouldn't know what the hell hit you.
Now that being said most of the 1k's around now days are faster then my busa just because of HP/weight ratio. Your trying to set yourself up for a loosing battle. Im just sayin is all.

leostiger1

That's what I used to say to myself for the first 10 tickets I got..

theduckllr

Well, he did say it was for 'comparison", with no claims of an impending win.

leostiger1

Heheh ~ I'm not talking a big game, just saying that a twin is far better suited at around town driving, because of the low end torque it has - don't have to rev the crap out of it to get into the torque band. There's ZERO chance even a busa could get to even 5k rpm from 2k rpm in any gear (without clutching, just roll-on) faster than a twin of similar displacement.

Busa's have hardly any torque at 3k rpm ~ whatcha talk'in crazy for..

My point (again..!) is that for around town driving less than 7-8k rpm, twins dominate 4 bangers / sewing machine ~ heheh. Up on the freeway and when you're winding them up sewing machines rock and are at home..

I'd be HAPPY to try this with your busa - side by side ROLL-ON's in 2nd gear at 2k to see what happens.. My prediction is that I walk you until about 6-7k rpm and then you start to catch up. Probably won't actually though. We'll see..

Anyone have any torque curve pics of a Busa starting at 2k rpm..? My guess is that the Tiller has 10-15 ft-lbs more torque than a busa at 2-3k rpm plus weighs what, 100lbs less..?

ckholloway

the busa is a Bertha and I will be the first to admit that. I love my Bertha though. I will also be the first to tell you that I have always liked the tiller, and that your correct the twin has amazing power in the bottom end. What your wrong about is that there is nothing in the bottom of a large displacement 4 cylinder. It doesn't take me until 4-5k to builld power, my bike is also not stock. As I recall when it was stock your close to right but mine is a different story. It doesn't take much to build power fast out of these bikes. It really only takes the right exhaust and right tune and your tiller is in bigger trouble then you think.
Like I said before I can't talk about a stock busa because its been awhile since mine was, and I can't talk about the 1k because I've never piloted one. What I am saying and the point I'm trying to make is that when you issue an open ended challenge you may be biting of more then you think.
I'm not mocking anyone's bike because I'm a fan of all kinds of bikes, and I'm for sure not saying mine or any busa is the best or fastest bikes around. I'm just saying that no matter what you may think don't make a judgment call about any particular machine until you have experience on that machine.