Tydd

I AM GOD HERE!!!!!!!!!!

LazyJ

dude your still logged in as you fool

LazyJ

LOL...OOPS....Forgive me. I'm still new to this god thing.

/Paul proclaiming he is god Take 2/


I AM GOD HERE!!!!!!!!

whitedevil

Nice Lawnmower Man Quote!!!

theduckllr

I suspect CMS1172 has learned his lesson about NOT asking for usefull feedback regarding motorcyle questions on a this "motorcycle" forum.

And Lazy: YOU WIN!

( I can't possibly come up with a funnier comeback than you beating your chest about your riding abilities).

Tydd

WOW Finally someone got it!!! Thank you.

LazyJ

bout damn time you shut up.

and i dont recall doing any beating on my chest about any riding abilities...simply stated that yes...i can tell a difference in some things....

whitedevil

theduckllr

You mean you can tell the difference between your OEM tire and R R s? Wow! Holy crappola! Whats next, Capt Obvious? Can you smell your own farts too? Will wonders ever cease?!?

Next time you want to agree with me, just agree. It'll save you some frustration.

cms1172

cms1172

Best tires? well who gives us the best discounts on the tires?

bladed101

Check motorcyclesuperstore.com they have great prices

stubby

For commuting run a PP front and a Pilot Road 2 in the rear and you won't be disappointed. You will still get the grip of the PP, and still be able to hit the canyons at your normal pace while getting longer life from your rear tire.


Incorrect. The softer compound is the entire side minus the middle strip. If you lean your bike over slightly you will be using the softer compound. For commuting the 2ct will last the same time as a PP as the centers are the same compound. Now if you hit the canyons more often, then the tire might not last as long.

zaksgsx

I am running the Dunlop Qualifier right now. They seem to be pretty good. Haven't had a chance to take it out and get super low yet. I used to run PP and loved them. Guy i bought the bike back from had these qualifiers on them and said he liked them better.

Linker33

Quick shipping too.

Ming

I believe in the 1st post, he meant the same thing. kind of... Stubby your statement is also a bit incorrect. The 2CT "soft" compound is yes on the tire and not the sidewall, but the extent of the compound only is the outer 3/4" to 1" of rubber on sides of the tires. Many bikes I have seen run a 1" chicken strip... so technically leaning a bike over "slightly" will not be enough to use this softer compound.

For street I recommend PP's (2CT's are overrated), if you are a Pirelli fan, the Corsa 3's have very good reviews (a bit harder compound in the center and then for comparison purposes, I'd say PP sticky on the 2nd compound then 2CT sticky on the outside edge, I do like this tire better than the 2CT due to the 3 softer compounds that are higher up the side of the tire. The Pirelli's do have a different shape which makes turn in a bit slower than the PP or the 2CT, but on the track reviews state the Pirelli holds faster exit speeds. So give a little get a little.) I am not a commuter, so I would rather pay more for a tire and enjoy the rides I do take. So take this for what it's worth, spend some cash, buy a good tire!

stubby

You need to check with the manufacturer as the soft compound is much more than what you are stating. The harder compound is only on the center section. I will take what the tire vendors and the tire makers say, as they actually know. The interweb is full of lies about only having 1" of soft compound, you can come look at the 2cts sitting in my garage if you want but that soft compound starts at the edge of the tire (not the sidewall) and goes up until it meets the center compound which is only in the center of the tire.

Matt

How did I miss this discussion again Seems like once every 3 months this thread pops up Don't have time to read all of these posts but Michelin Pilot Powers are the best tire ever made hands down! If I could put them on my F-150 I would... Oh and they make great flower planters (Right Don?)

BuellCru

I read on another forum some bad reviews on the Dunlop Qualifiers. There were quite a few people that were low siding while running those tires.

stubby

99% of all lowsides are caused by rider error and not the tires. Take whatever you read on in the interweb with a grain of salt.

Most of these guys that lowside and blame the tire haven't even set up suspenision, have chains too tight, and don't know what counter steering is.

If those tires really sucked, then Keith Code wouldn't run them on his bikes for the California Superbike School. I personally don't care for the qualifiers but they are still good tires.

Matt

And they seem to take a bit longer to warm up than the others...

Ming

this is interesting stubby. check out michelins web page. not a forum. this is their page. is there something i'm not seeing? the softer compound looks to be exactly where i said it was...

http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/in...=pilotpower2ct

stubby

The compound goes up much higher than that picture shows. Google for the 2ct compound breakdown. I would look but am on an iphone at MMP, in a couple days when I get back I will look if I remember. If you want to see the compounds stop by, I have a set sitting in the garage.

Ming

Yes, the 2ct compound breakdown is awesome technology. and is used quite well i do say in the Pilot road 2's. These tires also incorporate the 2ct technology, but the rear tire takes total advantage of putting a harder compound directly in the center like you stated, then the majority of the tire is a softer compound at any lean angle. BUT, this is ONLY the case with the pilot road 2's. not the PP 2ct. They both use 2ct technology, they both have dual compound tires, but the difference is how much softer compound vs, harder compound on each tire. The PP 2ct shows the outer 11% of the tire is the softer compound, and on the pilot road 2 it is the outer 40% of the tire. here's the link for them both. I'm not trying to say the PP 2ct is a bad tire, it is a great tire, and has amazing technology behind it. but for the newbs (or vets) that think it is something it not, I just want to set em straight. Why would Michelin underplay and falsify information on their own page? i may have to do some PR work for them.

http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/in...=pilotpower2ct

http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/in...ent=pilotroad2

stubby

From a michelin site... the softer compound goes up the side of the tire. The green band is the softer compound.

Give Scott a call, but they aren't going to end the soft compound where your apex/acceleration band is at on the tire. Either way, believe what you want I have better things to do with my time. 2cts are great tires and they will last as long as PPs - it all depends upon what you are going to do with the bike. If you do track days, a great choice. If you are only going to street ride, a good choice but not needed as it won't do anything more for you unless you count the placebo effect.

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e11charlie

Ok I have a question the two are obviously designed for two different things. One should be better for mostly track use one is good for mostly road use which is which? I know I know I am just stirring up the hornets nest.

cms1172

OK now I know just buy a cheap set of tires and change often.

Ming

stubby i'm not trying to argue if the tire is good or not. I think very highly of michelin tires. again in the pic you posted, the tire is a PILOT ROAD 2. look at it yourself. they both use 2ct technology. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME TIRE. Scott is a good guy, and knows a lot about tires, but NOT as much as michelin. I watched him mount a PP tire out at MMP and I personally had to tell him the front tire was on backwards. Ryan can attest to this, and the guy that he mounted the tire on for thanked me, because he didn't notice himself. If educating yourself is a waste of time, well... to each their own, but if you want the truth, ask michelin yourself, they will email you an answer to whatever you ask. they are a great company. and to agree with your 1st statement about ending the softer compound where they did, I think they should have brought it hight like they did in the pilot road 2, but they didn't, this is why i RECOMMEND the PP over the 2ct. BOTH are an awesome tire, but why pay more for something you barely use?

agree or disagree stubby, i'm not here to fight, just to educate.

Ming

the 2ct is a street/track day tire, made specifically for supersports.

the pilot road 2 is a sport touring tire that uses 2ct technology to create an amazing sport touring tire, that will be sticky for the canyons, and durable in the center for the straight commutes. great for most applications.

Ming

well its a buell so i guess thats a good strategy...

cms1172

Ok, with everyones advice, ordered cheap tires front and rear (Shinko Raven 009), from Motorcycle superstore (actually hear good things about them, SRY swears by them) bought a tire mounting machine from Harbor Freight Tools, all for less than one 2ct. So now can help with tire mounting for anyone who needs the help, and balance for free at Cycle Gear. Only charge a 6 pack a tire, sound fair?

Matt

Awesome, I might be taking you up on that in the near future

stubby

I'm not here to fight either. However I've probably owned more tires just this year than you have in the last 4 years. We use 2cts for wet tires, but the softer compound does go higher than what you think. As for the picture, it actually came from a PP 2ct tire page, however yes the tread design is for the Pilot Road 2.

As far as using them just for the street, I agree, stick with the PP. If you do track days along with street go with the 2cts. Then again most people don't run the correct air pressure and/or setup suspension correctly so no tire will actually work as designed in those circumstances... couple that with incorrect BP, bad/incorrect throttle control and it only makes the situation worse. Which again generates more false information like, oh those tires get greasy, or they just give away without any notice, etc...

e11charlie

Shit the PPs are cheap to me. Compared to the minumum found by chance on a discount web site for that meanstreak I was riding at $156 for the front alone and dont ask about the rear, These are way cheap. Iam so happy I got a new bike.

Matt

Just wait until you see how quickly they are gone... Muahahahahahahahaha...

e11charlie

That may be but I can just about buy 2 sets of those compared to the ones on the old bike. That alone makes me happy. Although I dont think I need the 2ct type tires yet so that makes the regular ones even cheaper.

bladed101

I'm on my 2nd front and 3rd rear since Feb. of this year.

LazyJ

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=3137

bladed101

I have 3 tires I need changed not this Thursday but the next 16th of July or Friday the 17th, I just need one day to scrub them in before we leave for yellowstone. what kind of beer do you like?