Turning left on light posts.

PoltArt · 11-22-2009, 01:59 PM

This has always been my concern since I began riding in the summer.

How do we turn Left on lights?

Here is more of an explanation to the question.

Every time I come to a red light and I need to make a left turn it never goes green until a car comes behind me. I looked online and some people say wait for the way to be clear then go for it, of course I don't think this is legal. So I wanted to know what you other riders tend to do in these situations? Do you just wait for a car to come to the rescue or hope for it to go green?

medico · 11-22-2009, 02:09 PM

If you are on a timed light it is fully legal to wait for two complete cycles then go if your light never changes. If you are on a sensor light, I just wait and if clear I will run it. If it isn't clear, I just cuss a whole bunch till I can go a different direction or a car comes up behind me.

Mikey · 11-22-2009, 02:09 PM

Ask Liteone(Dale) or R1bran(brandon) about the particulars of this. They had an officer give them a detailed diagram drawn on the side of the rode behind Del Taco.

Waldo · 11-22-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey

Ask Liteone(Dale) or R1bran(brandon) about the particulars of this. They had an officer give them a detailed diagram drawn on the side of the rode behind Del Taco.

theduckllr · 11-22-2009, 02:22 PM

Additionally, left hand turns can be made on a red (after a full stop) if the road you are turning on is a one way. If the intersection has an ONLY sign, lane, and light, you may ONLY turn on green, unless you wait two cycles as Medico explained for faulty sensors.

PoltArt · 11-22-2009, 02:57 PM

I see. And the waiting two cycles is a legal turn? Like is it in the manual? I have not taken my permit test yet so that is why I am asking as well in case I missed it in the information.

scharf2u · 11-22-2009, 03:47 PM

You can also purchase a magnetic trigger. Basically a small powerful magnet zip tied to the lower frame of the bike. This makes the light sensor think there is a larger object like a care in the lane and will trigger the left turn light. In a perfect world without the ADHD.

PoltArt · 11-22-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scharf2u

You can also purchase a magnetic trigger. Basically a small powerful magnet zip tied to the lower frame of the bike. This makes the light sensor think there is a larger object like a care in the lane and will trigger the left turn light. In a perfect world without the ADHD.

Where can I buy one of these things? It seems like the safest way to go about everything. And a way to avoid any issues that can be avoided.

Exitwounds · 11-22-2009, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scharf2u

You can also purchase a magnetic trigger. Basically a small powerful magnet zip tied to the lower frame of the bike. This makes the light sensor think there is a larger object like a care in the lane and will trigger the left turn light. In a perfect world without the ADHD.

I have heard this works, and that it's just a wive's tale.

I have never tried it.

scharf2u · 11-22-2009, 05:04 PM

I can't think of the actual name of the product but they theoretically should work. Since, the sensor in the pavement is a wire coil with a current going through it. Any mass of ferrous metal moving over it would alter the current and thus trigger the light system. Since most bikes are primarily non-ferrous metals they don't trip the trigger. A powerful magnet would have the same effect as a larger vehicle moving over the coil.

I've seen them listed on several online websites.

BLIZANTHIMUM · 11-22-2009, 05:07 PM

they are advertised in the back of all popular motorcycle magazines

Linker33 · 11-22-2009, 05:22 PM

The light doesn't want to let you turn left, because it's just not right.

Alot of times if you move the bike around, back it up and move to the other side of the lane, it will trip it. Seems like reving your engine does the trick sometimes, but I don't know if that's in the same catagory as weaving to warm up your tires.

I still do both anyway...makes me feel better.

PoltArt · 11-22-2009, 05:38 PM

I did a little research and found magnesium magnets. Did further research and it's a two way street like EXITwounds said. Some say it works, others say it doesn't. Those who say it doesn't even tried.

I guess I will go for the 2 cycle then run it method and if I get pulled over just explain the situation.

Pimpit · 11-22-2009, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoltArt

I did a little research and found magnesium magnets. Did further research and it's a two way street like EXITwounds said. Some say it works, others say it doesn't. Those who say it doesn't even tried.

I guess I will go for the 2 cycle then run it method and if I get pulled over just explain the situation.

The manual says 2 cycles or x amont of minutes if the light doesm't cycle. I just dont remember how many minutes. I guess the best answer would be to go get a manual and read it

bigroar · 11-22-2009, 09:10 PM

go to just about any flippin motorcycle shop and pay the 40 bucks for the magnet and let the problem rest. that or think about where your goin and skip the lights.

Rokkit_Science · 11-22-2009, 10:00 PM

I ride through red lights (stop and then go) every day about 300 days a year. I have never had an issue.

Hell Ill do a quick roll and go if its hot out lol

No cop no stop

BuellCru · 11-23-2009, 10:07 AM

Directly out of the Motorcycle Handbook. You only need to wait 1 complete cycle after coming to a stop.

Quote:

Traffic Control Signals
Due to their size, motorcycles do not always trigger traffic control signals when
approaching an intersection. Effective July 1, 2006, the law was amended to
allow a motorcycle rider, after coming to a complete stop, to proceed with
caution through a red light at an intersection. However, you may only do so if
the signal fails to operate after you wait through one complete cycle of that
traffic signal, and you must yield to any traffic in or approaching the
intersection.

theduckllr · 11-23-2009, 12:29 PM

Listen to Rocket Science. She knows the law, firsthand. (cause she has been charged with all of them!)

whitedevil · 11-23-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theduckllr

Listen to Rocket Science. She knows the law, firsthand. (cause she has been charged with all of them!)

then we wonder why cagers are upset with us? Well I don't question it, I already know. LOL

LazyJ · 11-23-2009, 01:28 PM

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

theduckllr · 11-23-2009, 01:32 PM

Oh dear Jesus. Lazy, big props. I just had soda eject from my nose reading that.

R1DON · 11-23-2009, 04:37 PM

two summers ago they passed a law that motorcycles can run red lights only after waiting one complete cycle. i use it to the fullest advantage.

http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/ids...SECT49-802.htm

(e) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the driver of a motorcycle approaching an intersection that is controlled by a triggered traffic-control signal using a vehicle detection device that is inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle, shall come to a full and complete stop at the intersection. If the signal fails to operate after one cycle of the traffic signal, the driver may proceed after exercising due caution and care. It is not a defense to a violation of section 49-801, Idaho Code, that the driver of a motorcycle proceeded under the belief that a traffic-control signal used a vehicle detection device or was inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle when such signal did not use a vehicle detection device or that any such device was not in fact inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle.

R1DON · 11-23-2009, 04:40 PM

write that code down, you may need it in your defense. idaho code 49-802 (e) and make the bastard look it up too

Linker33 · 11-23-2009, 08:02 PM

If you wait the 1 full cycle and then proceed, and and a cop sees you at that point, how are you going to go about proving that you had sat thru a light cycle?

Pimpit · 11-23-2009, 08:16 PM

or what about the lights that dont cycle like amity and meridian? lol

BuellCru · 11-23-2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R1DON

(e) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the driver of a motorcycle approaching an intersection that is controlled by a triggered traffic-control signal using a vehicle detection device that is inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle, shall come to a full and complete stop at the intersection. If the signal fails to operate after one cycle of the traffic signal, the driver may proceed after exercising due caution and care. It is not a defense to a violation of section 49-801, Idaho Code, that the driver of a motorcycle proceeded under the belief that a traffic-control signal used a vehicle detection device or was inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle when such signal did not use a vehicle detection device or that any such device was not in fact inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle.

Pimpit, if it's controlled by a "Vehicle Detection Device" then the code applies, otherwise you treat it like a stop sign. If you make it through without a cop around you might as well whip out a nasty

while you're at it.

whitedevil · 11-23-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pimpit

or what about the lights that dont cycle like amity and meridian? lol

It does cycle.....sometimes lol. I have gone through a red light there many times because it don't, but sometimes it does.

Pimpit · 11-23-2009, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitedevil

It does cycle.....sometimes lol. I have gone through a red light there many times because it don't, but sometimes it does.

I know I used to run it on a daily basis last year when I was working in nampa and statin in meridian.
And buell I know I have been riding street legally for a while now I was putting those examples there to go with all the other what ifs in this thread. I never sit at a red light for more than a couple minutes lol

Rokkit_Science · 11-23-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by whitedevil

then we wonder why cagers are upset with us? Well I don't question it, I already know. LOL

F cagers.

Same goes for theduckllr , you need to tie your tongue in regards to things you know nothing about... to include, but not limited to, me.

I have never had a moving violation on any of my bikes.

So nice try, but once again andrew the ###hole continues to reassure his role as the BRN douchebag. Again, without any credibility to back his insults.

Pimpit · 11-24-2009, 01:02 AM

what about the cop that pullled you over for impeading traffic and pulled you over again the next night

lol jk

Rokkit_Science · 11-24-2009, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pimpit

what about the cop that pullled you over for impeading traffic and pulled you over again the next night

lol jk

Lets define that, I was doing 10 in a 20, downtown, 8th and main, at roughly 1130 on a friday night. Anyone care to share the rate of the flow of traffic?

And I fought that in court and won btw so you need better material if youre going to call me out.

I ran into the same fuzz the next time when he stated my license plate wasnt angled correctly. hahaha

Bungeeguy · 11-24-2009, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rokkit_Science

F cagers.

Same goes for theduckllr , you need to tie your tongue in regards to things you know nothing about... to include, but not limited to, me.

I have never had a moving violation on any of my bikes.

So nice try, but once again andrew the ###hole continues to reassure his role as the BRN douchebag. Again, without any credibility to back his insults.

Reeerrrrr! the claws are out!

whitedevil · 11-24-2009, 10:28 AM

theduckllr · 11-24-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rokkit_Science

F cagers.

I have never had a moving violation on any of my bikes.

Awwwwe Puttumms! I didn't know that getting nicked on 2 wheels was any different then 4. Darn those pesky laws!

(Also, did you happen to visualize the irony of starting out your post with "F**K Cagers", and then follow up with (sic) "I got those 47 tickets while driving my car"?? I did, and it made me fall over laughing. Nice to see you haven't lost your sense of humor!)

Besides, iIf I wasn't dishing it out to you, you would get the feeling something was wrong with me

shaner · 11-24-2009, 11:58 AM

You can also hit your starter switch while at a light. The starter spinning creates a magnetic field and some lights will pick it up. I've tested it and it does work. Don't worry, it doesn't fuck the starter up like in a car either.

stubby · 11-24-2009, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaner

You can also hit your starter switch while at a light. The starter spinning creates a magnetic field and some lights will pick it up. I've tested it and it does work. Don't worry, it doesn't ###k the starter up like in a car either.

Is this why your bike wouldn't start at SC?

whitedevil · 11-24-2009, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stubby

Is this why your bike wouldn't start at SC?

No, it wouldn't start at SC because he had it in gear, LMAO it's like 450 4 stroke hahaha

hellfire24 · 11-24-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bungeeguy

Reeerrrrr! the claws are out!

I hate you all! You have no idea what i got to live with!

Rokkit_Science · 11-24-2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellfire24

I hate you all! You have no idea what i got to live with!

Im sure its terrible having someone ALWAYS cleaning the house and doing YOUR dishes.

And leaving you instructions on the toilet

hahahahahaha

stubby · 11-24-2009, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rokkit_Science

Im sure its terrible having someone ALWAYS cleaning the house and doing YOUR dishes.

Sounds like Buck has you well trained

11-22-2009, 01:59 PM	#1
PoltArt Senior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: Meridian, ID Posts: 639 I Ride: 06 Z1000 • 05 F4i	Turning left on light posts. This has always been my concern since I began riding in the summer. How do we turn Left on lights? Here is more of an explanation to the question. Every time I come to a red light and I need to make a left turn it never goes green until a car comes behind me. I looked online and some people say wait for the way to be clear then go for it, of course I don't think this is legal. So I wanted to know what you other riders tend to do in these situations? Do you just wait for a car to come to the rescue or hope for it to go green?

11-22-2009, 05:22 PM	#12
Linker33 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: Boise, ID Posts: 1,428 I Ride: '02 GSXR 600	The light doesn't want to let you turn left, because it's just not right. Alot of times if you move the bike around, back it up and move to the other side of the lane, it will trip it. Seems like reving your engine does the trick sometimes, but I don't know if that's in the same catagory as weaving to warm up your tires. I still do both anyway...makes me feel better. Last edited by Linker33; 11-22-2009 at 05:25 PM.

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11-22-2009, 02:09 PM	#2
medico Member Joined: Sep 2009 From: Boise, id Posts: 41 I Ride: One with two wheels, a seat, a tank, and bars, sometimes it even has a motor but not always	If you are on a timed light it is fully legal to wait for two complete cycles then go if your light never changes. If you are on a sensor light, I just wait and if clear I will run it. If it isn't clear, I just cuss a whole bunch till I can go a different direction or a car comes up behind me.

11-22-2009, 02:09 PM	#3
Mikey Senior Member Joined: Mar 2009 From: Kuna Posts: 2,246 I Ride: on sidewalks if needed.	Ask Liteone(Dale) or R1bran(brandon) about the particulars of this. They had an officer give them a detailed diagram drawn on the side of the rode behind Del Taco.

11-22-2009, 02:22 PM	#5
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 3,195 I Ride: The Armageddon, Orange Crush	Additionally, left hand turns can be made on a red (after a full stop) if the road you are turning on is a one way. If the intersection has an ONLY sign, lane, and light, you may ONLY turn on green, unless you wait two cycles as Medico explained for faulty sensors.

11-22-2009, 02:57 PM	#6
PoltArt Senior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: Meridian, ID Posts: 639 I Ride: 06 Z1000 • 05 F4i	I see. And the waiting two cycles is a legal turn? Like is it in the manual? I have not taken my permit test yet so that is why I am asking as well in case I missed it in the information.

11-22-2009, 03:47 PM	#7
scharf2u Senior Member Joined: May 2009 From: Boise Posts: 1,028 I Ride: Victory Kingpin, The Harley is deceased :(	You can also purchase a magnetic trigger. Basically a small powerful magnet zip tied to the lower frame of the bike. This makes the light sensor think there is a larger object like a care in the lane and will trigger the left turn light. In a perfect world without the ADHD.

11-22-2009, 05:04 PM	#10
scharf2u Senior Member Joined: May 2009 From: Boise Posts: 1,028 I Ride: Victory Kingpin, The Harley is deceased :(	I can't think of the actual name of the product but they theoretically should work. Since, the sensor in the pavement is a wire coil with a current going through it. Any mass of ferrous metal moving over it would alter the current and thus trigger the light system. Since most bikes are primarily non-ferrous metals they don't trip the trigger. A powerful magnet would have the same effect as a larger vehicle moving over the coil. I've seen them listed on several online websites.

11-22-2009, 05:07 PM	#11
BLIZANTHIMUM Senior Member Joined: Apr 2007 From: K-town yo! Posts: 3,354 I Ride: YURMOM	they are advertised in the back of all popular motorcycle magazines

11-22-2009, 05:38 PM	#13
PoltArt Senior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: Meridian, ID Posts: 639 I Ride: 06 Z1000 • 05 F4i	I did a little research and found magnesium magnets. Did further research and it's a two way street like EXITwounds said. Some say it works, others say it doesn't. Those who say it doesn't even tried. I guess I will go for the 2 cycle then run it method and if I get pulled over just explain the situation.

11-22-2009, 09:10 PM	#15
bigroar Senior Member Joined: Sep 2009 From: Payette, Idaho Posts: 204 I Ride: 2004 Hayabusa GSXR 1300	go to just about any flippin motorcycle shop and pay the 40 bucks for the magnet and let the problem rest. that or think about where your goin and skip the lights.

11-22-2009, 10:00 PM	#16
Rokkit_Science Senior Member Joined: Mar 2008 From: Bogus, Lowman, Firebird,Lucky Peak Posts: 1,290 I Ride: a damn cop magnet	I ride through red lights (stop and then go) every day about 300 days a year. I have never had an issue. Hell Ill do a quick roll and go if its hot out lol No cop no stop

11-23-2009, 12:29 PM	#18
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 3,195 I Ride: The Armageddon, Orange Crush	Listen to Rocket Science. She knows the law, firsthand. (cause she has been charged with all of them!)

11-23-2009, 01:28 PM	#20
LazyJ Senior Member Joined: May 2007 From: FUQ Posts: 8,069	Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

11-23-2009, 01:32 PM	#21
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 3,195 I Ride: The Armageddon, Orange Crush	Oh dear Jesus. Lazy, big props. I just had soda eject from my nose reading that.

11-23-2009, 04:37 PM	#22
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,957 I Ride: 08 zx10	two summers ago they passed a law that motorcycles can run red lights only after waiting one complete cycle. i use it to the fullest advantage. http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/ids...SECT49-802.htm (e) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the driver of a motorcycle approaching an intersection that is controlled by a triggered traffic-control signal using a vehicle detection device that is inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle, shall come to a full and complete stop at the intersection. If the signal fails to operate after one cycle of the traffic signal, the driver may proceed after exercising due caution and care. It is not a defense to a violation of section 49-801, Idaho Code, that the driver of a motorcycle proceeded under the belief that a traffic-control signal used a vehicle detection device or was inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle when such signal did not use a vehicle detection device or that any such device was not in fact inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle.

11-23-2009, 04:40 PM	#23
R1DON Senior Member Joined: Oct 2006 From: Nampa Posts: 1,957 I Ride: 08 zx10	write that code down, you may need it in your defense. idaho code 49-802 (e) and make the bastard look it up too

11-23-2009, 08:02 PM	#24
Linker33 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: Boise, ID Posts: 1,428 I Ride: '02 GSXR 600	If you wait the 1 full cycle and then proceed, and and a cop sees you at that point, how are you going to go about proving that you had sat thru a light cycle?

11-23-2009, 08:16 PM	#25
Pimpit Senior Member Joined: Jul 2008 From: Nampa, Id Posts: 4,137 I Ride: 06 GSX-R1000, 01 Yammy V-Turd 650, and 1979 Honda CM 185 Twin Star putt putt project	or what about the lights that dont cycle like amity and meridian? lol

11-24-2009, 01:02 AM	#30
Pimpit Senior Member Joined: Jul 2008 From: Nampa, Id Posts: 4,137 I Ride: 06 GSX-R1000, 01 Yammy V-Turd 650, and 1979 Honda CM 185 Twin Star putt putt project	what about the cop that pullled you over for impeading traffic and pulled you over again the next night lol jk

11-24-2009, 10:28 AM	#33
whitedevil Senior Member Joined: May 2008 From: Que Nah Posts: 6,258 I Ride: F4i CBR600

11-24-2009, 11:58 AM	#35
shaner Senior Member Joined: May 2008 From: The Hood Posts: 3,418 I Ride: ...............	You can also hit your starter switch while at a light. The starter spinning creates a magnetic field and some lights will pick it up. I've tested it and it does work. Don't worry, it doesn't fuck the starter up like in a car either.