My Turn

Gem STate ST · 08-28-2010, 10:19 AM

Yesterday I left at 6am to go spend the weekend 40 miles south of John Day with some riders from Or.Since it was a little chilly everyone was still in camp when I got there.Joined a group that were doing a 300 mile loop.About 1:30 we came around a downhill right hander with a corkscrew and exited with a left hand corner.The guy behind me said that my rearend of the bike started wobbling in the first part of the corkscrew.Front tire dropped off the shoulder and I highsided into a Juniper tree.Bike can be fixed when the funds allow.I have a broken left thumb and right collarbone.So no rides for me awhile.First street wreck and have been endorsed since'69.Almost forgot OSP came by the hospital to give me a carelees riding ticket for $472.Said the sides of my tires were all scrubbed down from aggressive riding.

katnip · 08-28-2010, 10:41 AM

Holy shiat...Glad your ok Gemstate and those OSP guys are totall douches with no mercy they find anything they can on anyone. Are you going to fight the ticket?

CBRF2Old · 08-28-2010, 10:54 AM

That sucks!
What are your plans for getting back to Boise?

BeckadarO · 08-28-2010, 11:23 AM

Glad your OK (with minor injuries), it's been said before the bike is replaceable. Let us know if you need help getting you or the bike home.

Linker33 · 08-28-2010, 11:26 AM

Wow, good to hear your relatively alright.

As for the ticket, I would think that would be easily fightable.

Won't they have to prove that...
a. having tires scrubbed in to that extent was resultant from "aggressive riding"
and if so that ...
b. the "aggressive riding" occurred during the time of the incident.

Unless OPD can give out tickets just by looking at your tires. (apparently they can.)

scooterholic · 08-28-2010, 11:35 AM

Glad to here your relatively ok, let us know if you need help with anything.

Cudacharger · 08-28-2010, 11:38 AM

Very sorry to hear this but glad your relatively ok Gemstate. Unfortunately we all fall victim from time to time...get well soon!

Mikey · 08-28-2010, 12:25 PM

Man I'm so sorry to hear this Bill!! If I can help with anything don't hesitate to holler at me. If you need any help getting the bike home I'll help also.

tc305 · 08-28-2010, 12:37 PM

that sucks if you need help dont be afraid to ask i never heard of a ticket for well scuffed tires?

steven32 · 08-28-2010, 12:41 PM

wow i am glad you are not seriously hurt. That is ###ked up of them to give you a ticket. Since when can they give you a ticket for that?
I think that its easily fight able. I would take them to court. thats ridiculous.

Gem STate ST · 08-28-2010, 12:58 PM

Thanks for all the well wishes and offers for help.I am home and the bike is getting picked up today.I will plead no contest to the ticket and try to get it to a failure to keep right(or rightside up).No pics of the bike yet but here are some colorful ones.

steven32 · 08-28-2010, 01:10 PM

ouch. I've broken my right collar bone before. it sucked.

scooterholic · 08-28-2010, 01:14 PM

ouch!!!!!!!!!!

theduckllr · 08-28-2010, 02:43 PM

Broken collar bones suck, but are a great alternative to death. Glad you made it home with "minor injury". Lemme know if you need anything.

turbolq4 · 08-28-2010, 02:58 PM

glad you are alright!

must be something about left thumbs, the last time i wrecked my dirt bike i broke mine

Just Jeff · 08-28-2010, 03:10 PM

Glad you are well and the bike is fixable

I guess the minute I register my bike out there I am in for a ticket

You ever go to the track?
Lord knows my tires are scrubbed to the very edge from that. I'd demand they prove it was done on the road vs the track.

DB Cooper · 08-28-2010, 03:21 PM

Glad to hear your are Ok and in good spirits. Bikes can be fixed. What caused the wobble? That is a BS ticket, I never heard of a cop trying that one. I guess if you are from out of the state they must figure you will not come back and try and fight it. This one is worth fighting. If that cop had a beer last week he is an alcoholic and I think he must have been drunk when he wrote that ticket. The powers of speculation, misdirection, and spin.

STR8UP41908 · 08-28-2010, 04:08 PM

damn Bill, that looks painful. Sorry to here about the wreck, hope u have have a speedy recovery and can get back out soon. If you need help with anything just ask.

BLIZANTHIMUM · 08-28-2010, 05:55 PM

That sucks bill, but welcome to the club.

Pimpit · 08-28-2010, 08:28 PM

Sorry to hear it, Glad your ok for the most part

LckyTylr · 08-29-2010, 08:54 AM

Tell em you took your bike down to miller for a track day and those are the tires that you used. Scuffed em up down there, yet they are still Perfectly legal for street use. then flip em the bird and tell 'em to go catch some real criminals.

scharf2u · 08-29-2010, 09:31 AM

I agree with the other guys. The ticket is definitely bogus. My kid got one for 93 in a 65. His cruise was set at 69, the cop was dyslexic. Also, since their court is in Pendleton, the cop didn't expect him to show. When my kid showed up at court, no cop. Therefore no ticket. Cost him a tank of gas and a day of driving and saved $400.00.

Take of yourself so you heal quickly. Get well soon Bill.

Grumbler · 08-29-2010, 09:50 AM

My condolences, Bill.

Seneca must be where yawl stayed as it's a popular spot for motorcyclists.

I would definitely look into having that other rider, who saw your bike wobbling, send a letter to help your case.

Try to find the case of the wobble as it might well be a mechanical failure or a slow leak from rear tire.

OSP investigated the accident and obviously surmised that you're an aggressive rider based on those well scrubbed tires.

My cruiser has well scrubbed tires (no chicken strips) and am sure I'd get the same ticket had it happened to me albeit in the "failed to negotiate curve" category.

cms1172 · 08-29-2010, 11:49 AM

Show up. Fight it. Amazing how easy it is. Don't let them take advantage. They think they can get all of us then.
the price off tickets is why I stay out of oregon. Even though they have some great roads.

cms1172 · 08-29-2010, 11:49 AM

Show up. Fight it. Amazing how easy it is. Don't let them take advantage. They think they can get all of us then.
the price off tickets is why I stay out of oregon. Even though they have some great roads.

MissKaos · 08-29-2010, 12:46 PM

Bill!!! I'm glad you're ok! I'm sorry to hear that you went down. That seems like a silly ticket to get....I think that every one of us here would end up with a ticket if the police looked at our tires (?).... I'm not sure that wrekless / unsafe riding can be proven from scrubbed tires. Especially on a sport bike...you're SUPPOSED to ride on the sides of the tires - that's why they aren't flat on the bottoms (like a car's).

I hope that you feel much better soon. Let Lee and I know if there's anything that you need.

Grumbler · 08-29-2010, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cms1172

the price of tickets is why I stay out of oregon. Even though they have some great roads.

I've been riding out on those Oregon backroads for years without any
performance awards despite being an assertive rider. In fact, will be
cutting northeast to The Dalles after John Day next month. We're
going to zip-zag through the Cascades to Westfir/Oakridge then
south to Keno. Next day, a clockwise loop of Shady Cove, Mrytle
Creek, Glide, Diamond Lake back to Keno. Return home either via
Lakeview or Silver Lake.

Helps that I ride a bike that's faster than it looks.

whitedevil · 08-29-2010, 06:08 PM

Bill, my heart sunk when I opened this thread. I am sorry to hear that this happened. I hope you heal up quick and strong, and please feel free to give a ring if you need anything or would just like to bench race while getting the bike back to great condition. As for you getting back to great condition, time is all you get to recovery, and I am very thankful you got that time!

CaptCrash · 08-29-2010, 06:42 PM

Man...Glad you're not hurt worse.

And did the OSP ask if he could twist your broken thumb just for grins?

Geez.

cms1172 · 08-29-2010, 10:28 PM

I hope this isn't a trend. seems that the more experienced riders are having a hard time this year. (or should I say seasoned)
Hope you are doing okay.
Does this mean no more riding this year?
hope not.

mxroostin · 08-30-2010, 10:11 AM

Crap Bill...Really thankful your ok...Not a question of if but when...Its nice to know you gear up when you ride...Best wishes on healing and let us know if we can do something...

KBOM · 08-30-2010, 05:38 PM

I've got some pictures I took at the scene. If you want me to post them I will.

When I picked up the bike the guy at the towing place told me there was a rumour that there was some "illegal racing" going on out there. Not sure how that BS story got started?

Don't worry Bill, the bikes in good hands. I promise not to rob any parts off it

When you get better we can start making a parts list.

Ryan@IdahoSportBikes · 08-30-2010, 06:11 PM

Wow, I'm am glad you got away as well as you did!!

I am with the others. For 1 I would like to know what sportbike expert they have on hand that could judge if a tire had been ridden on aggressively. What guide lines would suggest that? There are so many different types of tires simply saying tires were scruffed up close to the edge shouldn't be able to hold up in court.

Not to mention that they couldn't say the scruffs are from that ride.

whitedevil · 08-30-2010, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan@IdahoSportBikes

Not to mention that they couldn't say the scruffs are from that ride.

or prove that it was the same rider...

Gem STate ST · 08-30-2010, 08:17 PM

Just back from the doc and they put a cast on my thumb and have some broke ribs which makes it a pain getting up and down.Post the pics Kevin as I don't have any.Will probably be awhile for that parts list as my insurance didn't cover bodily damage to me.Plus the car is in the shop for bodywork from the parking lot fiasco and he found some stuff that wasn't fixed from the other rearender.Can only be a better day from here on out.

AndrewM87 · 08-30-2010, 09:15 PM

Bill, very sorry to hear that man...

I haven't been on the forums very much lately. If you need anything then let me know. You were there for me when I went down.

Heal up and get on that bike when you're ready!

KBOM · 08-30-2010, 11:54 PM

Broke some ribs too? Crap!. Don't worry about the bike. Get your health (and finances) back first. It will be ready when you are. Battery is on the tender and I'll wash off that brake fluid to avoid additional damage.

Here are the pics I took. It could have been worse for sure.

KBOM · 08-31-2010, 12:02 AM

Here is the damage to the bike...

We were riding the road that goes from Long Creek to Kimberly, just North of John Day. Some nice roads over there. But like someone mentioned earlier, tickets in Oregon make it almost not worth it. Makes me appreciate what we have here even more.

theduckllr · 08-31-2010, 10:11 AM

Looks as if the bike faired better then you!

FuzzyHead · 08-31-2010, 06:31 PM

I think you'll have good luck contesting the ticket. I think in most of Oregon, whenever there is an accident they have to ticket someone. I had a good friend get hit on a bicycle, spent the night in the ER and a few nights in the hospital. He was ticketed for failure to yield when all was said and done. He has no recollection of the accident, so was unable to testify for himself. He plead innocent and thankfully enough people convince the judge he did everything in his power to avoid the accident that the judge found him innocent.

08-28-2010, 10:19 AM	#1
Gem STate ST Senior Member Joined: Jun 2008 From: K-Town Posts: 713 I Ride: 2006 ST1300A-02'Falco	My Turn Yesterday I left at 6am to go spend the weekend 40 miles south of John Day with some riders from Or.Since it was a little chilly everyone was still in camp when I got there.Joined a group that were doing a 300 mile loop.About 1:30 we came around a downhill right hander with a corkscrew and exited with a left hand corner.The guy behind me said that my rearend of the bike started wobbling in the first part of the corkscrew.Front tire dropped off the shoulder and I highsided into a Juniper tree.Bike can be fixed when the funds allow.I have a broken left thumb and right collarbone.So no rides for me awhile.First street wreck and have been endorsed since'69.Almost forgot OSP came by the hospital to give me a carelees riding ticket for $472.Said the sides of my tires were all scrubbed down from aggressive riding.

08-28-2010, 12:41 PM	#10
steven32 Joined: Feb 2010 From: K-Town Posts: 2,831 I Ride: '07 GSXR 600	wow i am glad you are not seriously hurt. That is ###ked up of them to give you a ticket. Since when can they give you a ticket for that? I think that its easily fight able. I would take them to court. thats ridiculous. Last edited by CBRF2Old; 08-28-2010 at 03:43 PM.

08-28-2010, 03:10 PM	#16
Just Jeff Senior Member Joined: Jun 2010 From: Nampa, ID Posts: 129 I Ride: 2007 Kawi ZX6R	Glad you are well and the bike is fixable I guess the minute I register my bike out there I am in for a ticket You ever go to the track? Lord knows my tires are scrubbed to the very edge from that. I'd demand they prove it was done on the road vs the track. Last edited by Just Jeff; 08-28-2010 at 03:14 PM.

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08-28-2010, 10:41 AM	#2
katnip Senior Member Joined: Jul 2008 From: The Gator's Lair Posts: 1,652 I Ride: '06 GSXR 600	Holy shiat...Glad your ok Gemstate and those OSP guys are totall douches with no mercy they find anything they can on anyone. Are you going to fight the ticket?

08-28-2010, 10:54 AM	#3
CBRF2Old Joined: Aug 2006 From: Boise Posts: 4,822 I Ride: 83 and 84 Honda Ascot's and 91 CBR600F2	That sucks! What are your plans for getting back to Boise?

08-28-2010, 11:23 AM	#4
BeckadarO Senior Member Joined: Dec 2009 From: Nampa, ID Posts: 755 I Ride: 2007 Honda Shadow VLX 600 deluxe, 2002 bandit 1200s	Glad your OK (with minor injuries), it's been said before the bike is replaceable. Let us know if you need help getting you or the bike home.

08-28-2010, 11:26 AM	#5
Linker33 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: Boise, ID Posts: 1,425 I Ride: '02 GSXR 600	Wow, good to hear your relatively alright. As for the ticket, I would think that would be easily fightable. Won't they have to prove that... a. having tires scrubbed in to that extent was resultant from "aggressive riding" and if so that ... b. the "aggressive riding" occurred during the time of the incident. Unless OPD can give out tickets just by looking at your tires. (apparently they can.)

08-28-2010, 11:35 AM	#6
scooterholic Senior Member Joined: Oct 2009 From: Nampa, Id Posts: 1,184 I Ride: 07 Honda Reflex, 92 Ninja ZX7, Weedeater one	Glad to here your relatively ok, let us know if you need help with anything.

08-28-2010, 11:38 AM	#7
Cudacharger Member Joined: Jun 2010 From: Boise Posts: 42 I Ride: 08 Ducati Hypermotard S	Very sorry to hear this but glad your relatively ok Gemstate. Unfortunately we all fall victim from time to time...get well soon!

08-28-2010, 12:25 PM	#8
Mikey Senior Member Joined: Mar 2009 From: Kuna Posts: 1,968 I Ride: on sidewalks if needed.	Man I'm so sorry to hear this Bill!! If I can help with anything don't hesitate to holler at me. If you need any help getting the bike home I'll help also.

08-28-2010, 12:37 PM	#9
tc305 Senior Member Joined: Feb 2007 From: boise Posts: 715 I Ride: sv 1000	that sucks if you need help dont be afraid to ask i never heard of a ticket for well scuffed tires?

08-28-2010, 01:10 PM	#12
steven32 Joined: Feb 2010 From: K-Town Posts: 2,831 I Ride: '07 GSXR 600	ouch. I've broken my right collar bone before. it sucked.

08-28-2010, 01:14 PM	#13
scooterholic Senior Member Joined: Oct 2009 From: Nampa, Id Posts: 1,184 I Ride: 07 Honda Reflex, 92 Ninja ZX7, Weedeater one	ouch!!!!!!!!!!

08-28-2010, 02:43 PM	#14
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 2,686 I Ride: The Armageddon bike, Orange Crush, Panagale Tricolor	Broken collar bones suck, but are a great alternative to death. Glad you made it home with "minor injury". Lemme know if you need anything.

08-28-2010, 02:58 PM	#15
turbolq4 Senior Member Joined: Aug 2009 From: mur-ville Posts: 1,162 I Ride: 95 CR500R, various sleds	glad you are alright! must be something about left thumbs, the last time i wrecked my dirt bike i broke mine

08-28-2010, 03:21 PM	#17
DB Cooper Senior Member Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 587	Glad to hear your are Ok and in good spirits. Bikes can be fixed. What caused the wobble? That is a BS ticket, I never heard of a cop trying that one. I guess if you are from out of the state they must figure you will not come back and try and fight it. This one is worth fighting. If that cop had a beer last week he is an alcoholic and I think he must have been drunk when he wrote that ticket. The powers of speculation, misdirection, and spin.

08-28-2010, 04:08 PM	#18
STR8UP41908 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2009 From: Meridian Posts: 457 I Ride: 2008 GSXR750	damn Bill, that looks painful. Sorry to here about the wreck, hope u have have a speedy recovery and can get back out soon. If you need help with anything just ask.

08-28-2010, 05:55 PM	#19
BLIZANTHIMUM Senior Member Joined: Apr 2007 From: K-town yo! Posts: 3,201 I Ride: YURMOM	That sucks bill, but welcome to the club.

08-28-2010, 08:28 PM	#20
Pimpit Senior Member Joined: Jul 2008 From: Nampa, Id Posts: 3,813 I Ride: 06 GSX-R1000, 01 Yammy V-Turd 650, and 1979 Honda CM 185 Twin Star putt putt project	Sorry to hear it, Glad your ok for the most part

08-29-2010, 08:54 AM	#21
LckyTylr Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: Boise Posts: 778	Tell em you took your bike down to miller for a track day and those are the tires that you used. Scuffed em up down there, yet they are still Perfectly legal for street use. then flip em the bird and tell 'em to go catch some real criminals.

08-29-2010, 09:31 AM	#22
scharf2u Senior Member Joined: May 2009 From: Boise Posts: 1,013 I Ride: Victory Kingpin, The Harley is deceased :(	I agree with the other guys. The ticket is definitely bogus. My kid got one for 93 in a 65. His cruise was set at 69, the cop was dyslexic. Also, since their court is in Pendleton, the cop didn't expect him to show. When my kid showed up at court, no cop. Therefore no ticket. Cost him a tank of gas and a day of driving and saved $400.00. Take of yourself so you heal quickly. Get well soon Bill.

08-29-2010, 09:50 AM	#23
Grumbler Senior Member Joined: Sep 2009 From: Boise, ID Posts: 753 I Ride: vn1500n2l	My condolences, Bill. Seneca must be where yawl stayed as it's a popular spot for motorcyclists. I would definitely look into having that other rider, who saw your bike wobbling, send a letter to help your case. Try to find the case of the wobble as it might well be a mechanical failure or a slow leak from rear tire. OSP investigated the accident and obviously surmised that you're an aggressive rider based on those well scrubbed tires. My cruiser has well scrubbed tires (no chicken strips) and am sure I'd get the same ticket had it happened to me albeit in the "failed to negotiate curve" category.

08-29-2010, 11:49 AM	#24
cms1172 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: The Middle of Nowhere? Posts: 2,174 I Ride: Buell 1125CR	Show up. Fight it. Amazing how easy it is. Don't let them take advantage. They think they can get all of us then. the price off tickets is why I stay out of oregon. Even though they have some great roads.

08-29-2010, 12:46 PM	#26
MissKaos Joined: Sep 2008 From: Boise Posts: 1,832 I Ride: Two-Wheeled Orgaaaaaaaasm	Bill!!! I'm glad you're ok! I'm sorry to hear that you went down. That seems like a silly ticket to get....I think that every one of us here would end up with a ticket if the police looked at our tires (?).... I'm not sure that wrekless / unsafe riding can be proven from scrubbed tires. Especially on a sport bike...you're SUPPOSED to ride on the sides of the tires - that's why they aren't flat on the bottoms (like a car's). I hope that you feel much better soon. Let Lee and I know if there's anything that you need.

08-29-2010, 06:08 PM	#28
whitedevil Senior Member Joined: May 2008 From: Que Nah Posts: 5,876 I Ride: F4i CBR600	Bill, my heart sunk when I opened this thread. I am sorry to hear that this happened. I hope you heal up quick and strong, and please feel free to give a ring if you need anything or would just like to bench race while getting the bike back to great condition. As for you getting back to great condition, time is all you get to recovery, and I am very thankful you got that time!

08-29-2010, 06:42 PM	#29
CaptCrash Senior Member Joined: May 2007 Posts: 716	Man...Glad you're not hurt worse. And did the OSP ask if he could twist your broken thumb just for grins? Geez.

08-29-2010, 10:28 PM	#30
cms1172 Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: The Middle of Nowhere? Posts: 2,174 I Ride: Buell 1125CR	I hope this isn't a trend. seems that the more experienced riders are having a hard time this year. (or should I say seasoned) Hope you are doing okay. Does this mean no more riding this year? hope not.

08-30-2010, 10:11 AM	#31
mxroostin Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: Meridian Posts: 1,060 I Ride: CBR 1000 RR	Crap Bill...Really thankful your ok...Not a question of if but when...Its nice to know you gear up when you ride...Best wishes on healing and let us know if we can do something...

08-30-2010, 05:38 PM	#32
KBOM Member Joined: Apr 2007 From: SW Boise Posts: 85	I've got some pictures I took at the scene. If you want me to post them I will. When I picked up the bike the guy at the towing place told me there was a rumour that there was some "illegal racing" going on out there. Not sure how that BS story got started? Don't worry Bill, the bikes in good hands. I promise not to rob any parts off it When you get better we can start making a parts list.

08-30-2010, 06:11 PM	#33
Ryan@IdahoSportBikes Senior Member Joined: Jun 2006 From: Boise Posts: 2,942 I Ride: R6	Wow, I'm am glad you got away as well as you did!! I am with the others. For 1 I would like to know what sportbike expert they have on hand that could judge if a tire had been ridden on aggressively. What guide lines would suggest that? There are so many different types of tires simply saying tires were scruffed up close to the edge shouldn't be able to hold up in court. Not to mention that they couldn't say the scruffs are from that ride.

08-30-2010, 08:17 PM	#35
Gem STate ST Senior Member Joined: Jun 2008 From: K-Town Posts: 713 I Ride: 2006 ST1300A-02'Falco	Just back from the doc and they put a cast on my thumb and have some broke ribs which makes it a pain getting up and down.Post the pics Kevin as I don't have any.Will probably be awhile for that parts list as my insurance didn't cover bodily damage to me.Plus the car is in the shop for bodywork from the parking lot fiasco and he found some stuff that wasn't fixed from the other rearender.Can only be a better day from here on out.

08-30-2010, 09:15 PM	#36
AndrewM87 Senior Member Joined: Oct 2008 From: Boise, ID Posts: 1,247 I Ride: 2006 "Cherry Pie" FZ1	Bill, very sorry to hear that man... I haven't been on the forums very much lately. If you need anything then let me know. You were there for me when I went down. Heal up and get on that bike when you're ready!

08-31-2010, 10:11 AM	#39
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 2,686 I Ride: The Armageddon bike, Orange Crush, Panagale Tricolor	Looks as if the bike faired better then you!