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Old 03-06-2011, 01:44 PM   #1
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Ethanol free gasoline

As we all know, most gas stations have 10% ethanol except for
Philips 66 which is ex$pen$ive at the Overland near Cole location.

Maverik on Federal Way, for example, is $3.20 for regular, $3.42
for premium although the Maverik card takes 2 cents off.

Philips 66 on Overland is $3.45 for regular, $3.67 for premium. So,
would the slightly better gas mileage with ethanol free be worth
the 25 cents difference?

BTW, am pretty sure Pacific Pride on Chinden also has ethanol
free gasoline, but have never stopped there and don't know the
prices.
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:43 PM   #2
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I religiously put ethanol free in my snowmobile or else it runs like crap. The ethanol will collect more water than standard gas. Also "cleans" all the crap out of your tank and can plug filters, injectors or carbs if your tank is dirty.
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:00 PM   #3
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You wont notice enough difference in mileage to cover the extra cost of the ethanol free fuel. My sled runs fine but i know several people that have trouble with E10. My bikes dont seem to care either way.
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Old 03-07-2011, 02:24 PM   #4
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wait until you start to see the stickers for e15. gov't has approved it for all 2001 and newer passenger cars. of course nothing else has been approved to use it, but gov't doesn't care

I have vapor lock issues with e10 on the lake in the summer due to the lower boiling point. cooped up in a hot engine compartment, e10 vaporlocks every time..
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Old 03-07-2011, 02:55 PM   #5
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Damn ethanol...
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:29 PM   #6
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You know... there are ways to remove ethanol from fuel. If you wanted to go through the trouble. :-)
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:48 PM   #7
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The Testoro by my work has Ethanol free fuel only in the premium fuel..
I only put that in my bike anyay. The 12MPG Denali gets whatevers cheapest
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:30 PM   #8
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Ethanol-free vs. E10....it's not about the price, never has been.
It's about the performance of the fuel in the particular application.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:34 PM   #9
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Nice avatar lol
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:38 PM   #10
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Thanks.....I was just feeling a little fuelish!!!

OW!! (even I feel bad for that one!!)
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:52 PM   #11
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The Testoro by my work has Ethanol free fuel only in the premium fuel..
Thanks, MAN! Had no clue that Tesoro premium is ethanol free. The
nearest station to my digs is at the TA Travel Center on Broadway.

According to http://www.boisegasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=C the
price for premium is $3.47 gallon as of 6 hours ago.

Bluesrider1, guess you can now switch from Philips 66 on Overland
to Tesoro on Broadway.

Keep on truckin' ...
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Old 03-08-2011, 03:16 PM   #12
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Ethanol-free vs. E10....it's not about the price, never has been.
It's about the performance of the fuel in the particular application.
The performance of the fuel in gas mileage applications is about the price
when comparing ethanol free with E10 as it pertains to my original question.

I would think that ethanol free fuel offers 2-6 additional miles per gallon. Am
fairly certain that it would also save me money on Sea Foam as I wouldn't
have to use it as much as ethanol is known for water contamination issues.

That said, am going to make every effort to use ethanol free fuel in my
motorcycle from here on.


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Old 03-08-2011, 03:38 PM   #13
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I'm going to start saving a list of stations. There are a few Tesoro's, & Phillips 66's. I'm not sure if they are Ethanol free. So for now I just have the ones mentioned on the map.

http://www.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF...c9b6cab8e&z=14
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:32 PM   #14
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Here is a list of more: http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=ID
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I definitely use ethanol free in anything I own that may sit with fuel in the tank for more than 2 weeks because of the problems E10 has caused because of fuel/water seperation. A few years ago my Honda started runiing badly and occasionally dying while running. After blowing out the carb with carb cleaner just to have the symptoms return I removed the float bowl (OK, so it was my Honda lawnmower, but it does have high performance, racy-type HRC stickers on it!!) I found that the bottom of the bowl was rusty and flaking from water accumulation (even though I use Sta-Bil over the winter), hence the carb clogging issues. After a little research and chatting with some tech-minded folks I realized that keeping E10 in anything that might sit for more than 2 weeks is a REALLY bad idea. Especially if you own an older M/C that might be prone to a little tank rust anyway. (I use Sta-Bil pretty much all the time in the FJ) Anyway, I stopped using E10 in the Honda mower, and the bikes, and have had no further fuel related issues.
I don't know if I have seen any fuel mileage differences in either of the bikes, but I know on really hot days (95 degrees+) both of them start easier and quicker after being run hard when they have non-ethanol fuel in the tank.
Thanks for the Tesoro tip, G, going there will sure beat riding though the freeway construction to deal with the Sprawl-Mart traffic just to get decent fuel.
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Old 03-08-2011, 05:43 PM   #16
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Awesome find!!!

I added to my list but I wonder how up to date that list is. One station I know isn't there anymore & they have a Chevron listed... wouldn't all Chevrons be the same?

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Old 03-08-2011, 06:12 PM   #17
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Not all Chevrons are the same. I know the Gowen Chevron is non ethynol but I have stopped at others that have E10.

The Sinclair headed from Caldwell towards Marsing is also E10 Free.
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Not all Chevrons are the same. I know the Gowen Chevron is non ethynol but I have stopped at others that have E10.

The Sinclair headed from Caldwell towards Marsing is also E10 Free.
Good to know!
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Old 03-08-2011, 08:40 PM   #19
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Not all Chevrons are the same. I know the Gowen Chevron is non ethynol but I have stopped at others that have E10.

The Sinclair headed from Caldwell towards Marsing is also E10 Free.
There is no such thing as an E-10 free Chevron in the valley let alone the whole west coast. We fuel manage that location (Gowen Chevron) and I can guarantee you that there is E-10. Chevron just finished the last of their E-10 blending project in Phoenix, Tucson and Las Vegas converting all the terminals to be automatically blended at the loading arm. All the following states have E-10 at all Chevrons including Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Texas, Nevada, Utah, and Idaho. The only E-10 free gas is at Sinclair locations which include Phillips 66 and some unbranded locations scattered through Idaho.
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Interesting... I think the Gowen Chevron might even advertise ethynol free or there is no posting on the pump that the fuel contains ethynol. Do all grades contain ethynol or just low/mid?
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Interesting... I think the Gowen Chevron might even advertise ethynol free or there is no posting on the pump that the fuel contains ethynol. Do all grades contain ethynol or just low/mid?
All grades definitely. I will send their marketing rep out there tomorrow to verify if there is stickers and if there isn't then he will get some to them. All stickers are originally supplied by us and it is their responsibility to maintain them. If you guys notice any Chevron or Shell locations in the Valley that do not have the proper stickers then go ahead and shoot me an e-mail.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:06 PM   #22
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In your opinion, who has the best gas?
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:20 PM   #23
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Realistically it's all the same gas without the additives. I trust Chevron and Shell gas because their refineries are very well maintained monitored and clean so there is less chance of debris or water that can contaminate the refining process and the finished product. I would not trust the smaller refineries because in my opinion they don't go the extra mile to make sure their products are as well protected. Chevron and Shell are also selling off their retail market and trying to go strictly commercial so they can put that much more focus, energy, and money into the research of the products they refine. When it comes to what I put in my own vehicles I always alternate Shell and then Chevron every few fills on the Buell because I think too much of one additive in a small engine will only create a build up so in my own theory I feel it's better to alternate and I've noticed my own personal great results by doing so. In my car and truck I buy whatever is cheapest because a normal motor has a better tolerance for lower grade gas. Also if your vehicle says it requires 89+ octane but has a knock sensor more than likely your engines computer will notice the knocking and re-calibrate the engine to get rid of it if you use the lower grade gas.

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Old 03-08-2011, 10:34 PM   #24
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I tried the non ethanol fuel in my truck for 6 tanks, thats about 150 gallons of fuel. The truck returned an average economy of 13.2 MPG. It returned an average of 13.1 from the ethanol blend over the same amount of fuel and the same type of driving. 2004 Chevy 2500HD 6.0 small block automatic 4X4. My cousin tried the same thing in his truck and saw no difference in mileage. My SV1000S got 43 MPG on either one. I know that the BTU content of the non ethanol fuel is greater but you wont be seeing anywhere near a 6 MPG improvement imo.
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The composite fuel tanks on my Aprilia's seem to expand over time. The guys on the Ape forum's blame this on the Ethanol fuel. Anyone else have this issue?
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The composite fuel tanks on my Aprilia's seem to expand over time. The guys on the Ape forum's blame this on the Ethanol fuel. Anyone else have this issue?
I doubt it. Here is a good read.

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/s...ethanol&page=2
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All grades definitely. I will send their marketing rep out there tomorrow to verify if there is stickers and if there isn't then he will get some to them. All stickers are originally supplied by us and it is their responsibility to maintain them. If you guys notice any Chevron or Shell locations in the Valley that do not have the proper stickers then go ahead and shoot me an e-mail.
According to the marketing rep for Gowen Chevron he said they have them labeled. He has the old smaller labels.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:07 AM   #28
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<...> My SV1000S got 43 MPG on either one. I know that the BTU content of the non ethanol fuel is greater but you wont be seeing anywhere near a 6 MPG improvement imo.
Am not a chemical engineer nor do I play one on the internet, but those
2 to 6 mpg improvements were obtained by googling other motorcycle
forums, especially those for GoldWing owners. I personally have no
actual experience.

What was more interesting to me was the decreased gas mileage both
me and my friend got with Hondaline 10w40 motorcycle oil in 2006. We
were using Shell Rotella T 15w40 and KawChem 10w40 respectively. A
decrease of ~5mpg *after* switching to Hondaline along with more
notchy shifting. We both dumped the Hondaline at about 1,000 miles,
and went back to our old oils. Guess what, the mileage improved as
did the shifting. Both bikes were serviced at Carl's, and they put
the Hondaline in our 1470cc Vulcans.

I've heard about folks getting better gas mileage by switching over to
synthetics from dino. My bud got better gas mileage and shifting with
KawChem than he did with Shell Rotella T.
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Old 03-29-2011, 10:17 PM   #29
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Gran-del petroleum up here by my shop is corn-syrup free and they do sell to the general public.
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The composite fuel tanks on my Aprilia's seem to expand over time. The guys on the Ape forum's blame this on the Ethanol fuel. Anyone else have this issue?
Very common on newer Monsters. Summary here: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/in...?topic=43639.0
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