So... how screwed am I?

mWhit · 07-04-2010, 09:34 PM

Alright, here the list of my problems. I just recently bought a YZ250 here in idaho. I've had quite a few dirt bikes in my life and i don't think i've ever had a title for any of them. It just wasn't anything you ever needed in Wyoming but i guess now that i think about it, that was kinda crazy since you wouldn't be able to tell if it was stolen or not... But anyways, i have a certificate of origin for the bike i bought, the problem is I'm the 4th owner of the bike and it hasn't been notarized between any of the sales other than the first one. How is this going to effect me getting an offroad vehicle sticker? Also, the second of my problems... it has an FMF titanium 2 silencer that doesn't say FS approved etc.... I can see screen around the inside obviously but the hole does appear to go all the way through so i don't believe it is going to be approved for use in idaho. Am i going to have to throw out another $150 for one that says approved? Let me know what yall think.

Idaho Wolverine · 07-04-2010, 11:15 PM

So who are ya and where do you work?

I am the 391st assistant Weapons Section Chief, but also one of the MSF instructors on base. If you need any bike help, I work on all sorts of bikes and have been changing a bunch of tires of late. I live in town, but am on base every day.

One of my TSgt's recently had to apply for a title on a older dirt bike he bought. Pretty easy and not expensive. Do you know where the DMV is in Mtn. Home?

mWhit · 07-04-2010, 11:39 PM

Ah cool, i work over in AMMO. Will i be able to apply for a title with a certificate of origin that hasn't been notarized? If so that would make the process easier for sure haha. The expensive part is going to be the spark arrestor problem, those aren't cheap. Maybe i can just JB weld some mesh into the end of the silencer and maybe they wouldn't say anything. The Sheriff that stopped by the track today couldn't tell if it had an arrestor or not either, he seen the mesh on the inside walls of the silencer but the outside wasn't stamped SA approved or whatever. Lucky he didn't cite me at all, just told me to pack it up and get a sticker next time since i'm barely over the 30 day grace period.

LckyTylr · 07-05-2010, 10:22 AM

AMMO.......well Sh!t.....there isn't room for two of us on this site. I'm OUT!

Just kidding, welcome. Do you know Eric Solasobal? I can't remember how to spell his last name. He's either still a Staff or now a Tech in Ammo. Good dude to know. You ever gonna bring your dirty bike to Boise area for a ride? Let us know, we have a lot of fun places to show you.

Idaho Wolverine · 07-05-2010, 06:46 PM

If you are on a "Closed course" like a track, you dont need a sticker or sparky.
But if you are on public land or BLM land, you will then need both.

As for the title work, again, go see the DMV in Mountain Home, by the court house.

theduckllr · 07-05-2010, 07:04 PM

$300 fine for not having it. I'm pretty certain you can get a sparky for less then that.

mWhit · 07-05-2010, 10:16 PM

Well they sell inserts only, but none that are made specifically for my silencer, i'm wondering if any of them would be the same diameter to fit in the tip of mine. Maybe Yamaha has one to look at.

Idaho Wolverine · 07-05-2010, 10:44 PM

Duck, you can get a fine for not having a spark arrestor at a closed track?

When did that change?!

theduckllr · 07-06-2010, 09:00 AM

No. The beefy fine is issued by the Forrest Service or County Sherriffs. On a closed course/private land you are welcome to duct tape a Briggs & Stratton into a wheel barrow and ride it if you want.

e11charlie · 07-06-2010, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theduckllr

No. The beefy fine is issued by the Forrest Service or County Sherriffs. On a closed course/private land you are welcome to duct tape a Briggs & Stratton into a wheel barrow and ride it if you want.

I am so building that.

mWhit · 07-15-2010, 10:11 AM

Awesome update.... So somehow i have to contact all previous owners and get releases of interest signed by all of them. Including the guy who bought it in colorado from the dealer (not likely). And if i can't manage to get those i have to go through a bonded title package which involves sending cert leters to their old addresses in hopes they come back to me unopened lol. What a pain in the ass. Maybe i'll just go sell it in wyoming where they don't give a ###t if your bike is titled or not. Anyone want a good track bike w/o title?

^^ posted on correct thread this time.

whitedevil · 07-15-2010, 10:12 AM

How much without a title? hmmmmmm

IDAHOBALLER · 07-15-2010, 10:55 AM

That really sucks to hear about the title issues. I wouldnt have any clue what to do on that.

As for the spark arrestor you have to buy a whole new muffler. Nobody makes an insert for the 2 stroke exhausts. Pro moto billet makes these inserts but they are only 4 stroke things since you cant use a screen type sparky on a smoker. Your options for regular performance spark arrestors are pretty much limited to the Pro Circuit "Nature friendly" s/a muffler, and the FMF Turbine core II s/a muffler. Either one can be bout for like $135 new. I like the FMF one best and have one on both my 250 and my 500.

mWhit · 07-15-2010, 10:56 AM

hrm, bought it for 1700, bought new hardware for brake pedal and changed oil 1 ride ago ($30 or so), but i wouldnt mind just getting my money back from the initial purchase. So... $1700.

mWhit · 07-15-2010, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IDAHOBALLER

That really sucks to hear about the title issues. I wouldnt have any clue what to do on that.

As for the spark arrestor you have to buy a whole new muffler. Nobody makes an insert for the 2 stroke exhausts. Pro moto billet makes these inserts but they are only 4 stroke things since you cant use a screen type sparky on a smoker. Your options for regular performance spark arrestors are pretty much limited to the Pro Circuit "Nature friendly" s/a muffler, and the FMF Turbine core II s/a muffler. Either one can be bout for like $135 new. I like the FMF one best and have one on both my 250 and my 500.

So what's the deal with not being able to use the screen? goober clog it up?

whitedevil · 07-15-2010, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mWhit

So what's the deal with not being able to use the screen? goober clog it up?

pretty much, the build up would be so bad and quick...

As for selling, put it up on craigslist and see what kind of bites you get. Best of luck, sounds like a pain, but it can be done to get title.

IDAHOBALLER · 07-15-2010, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mWhit

So what's the deal with not being able to use the screen? goober clog it up?

Yup, thats the problem. Most 2 stroke spark arrestor systems use a spiral type thing that spins the air on the way out. I believe the style is called a krizzmann bullet.

But on a positive note the PMB inserts for 4 strokes pretty much cost the same as a whole new 2 stroke muffler. You gotta love the cheapness of smoker parts.

hellfire24 · 07-16-2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IDAHOBALLER

Yup, thats the problem. Most 2 stroke spark arrestor systems use a spiral type thing that spins the air on the way out. I believe the style is called a krizzmann bullet.

But on a positive note the PMB inserts for 4 strokes pretty much cost the same as a whole new 2 stroke muffler. You gotta love the cheapness of smoker parts.

hmm IDAHOBALLER dont make me talk about 2 strokes! Oh and to solve any issues my Thumper is for sale..

great bike lots of aftermarket crap that will make you smile from ear to ear..
going for 4500.00 08 yz250f.. i think all the aftermarket parts are still worth more than the damn bike! Cant wait to ride my new bikes! Hells yeah!

turbolq4 · 07-16-2010, 11:42 AM

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...-Arrestor.aspx

ugly but cheaper than a new silencer

mWhit · 07-16-2010, 11:43 AM

Positive note! I have contacted each person on the certificate of origin, thank you facebook. Now if the guy who sold it to me would start cooperating then i'll be set! Maybe a call from the investigator will put a fire under his ass. Pay your taxes people! :P

mWhit · 07-16-2010, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbolq4

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...-Arrestor.aspx

ugly but cheaper than a new silencer

Wow i've never seen those before, i Don't mind the ugliness, saves me like $80 haha. Thanks much.

turbolq4 · 07-16-2010, 05:48 PM

no prob, im sure you could find them cheaper than that, that was the first place i looked

07-04-2010, 09:34 PM	#1
mWhit Junior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: MHAFB Posts: 25 I Ride: 2006 R6S, 2003 YZ250	So... how screwed am I? Alright, here the list of my problems. I just recently bought a YZ250 here in idaho. I've had quite a few dirt bikes in my life and i don't think i've ever had a title for any of them. It just wasn't anything you ever needed in Wyoming but i guess now that i think about it, that was kinda crazy since you wouldn't be able to tell if it was stolen or not... But anyways, i have a certificate of origin for the bike i bought, the problem is I'm the 4th owner of the bike and it hasn't been notarized between any of the sales other than the first one. How is this going to effect me getting an offroad vehicle sticker? Also, the second of my problems... it has an FMF titanium 2 silencer that doesn't say FS approved etc.... I can see screen around the inside obviously but the hole does appear to go all the way through so i don't believe it is going to be approved for use in idaho. Am i going to have to throw out another $150 for one that says approved? Let me know what yall think.

07-04-2010, 11:15 PM	#2
Idaho Wolverine Senior Member Joined: May 2006 From: Mountain Home, Idaho 83647 Posts: 670 I Ride: 2008 FJR	Have to look at it So who are ya and where do you work? I am the 391st assistant Weapons Section Chief, but also one of the MSF instructors on base. If you need any bike help, I work on all sorts of bikes and have been changing a bunch of tires of late. I live in town, but am on base every day. One of my TSgt's recently had to apply for a title on a older dirt bike he bought. Pretty easy and not expensive. Do you know where the DMV is in Mtn. Home?

07-05-2010, 06:46 PM	#5
Idaho Wolverine Senior Member Joined: May 2006 From: Mountain Home, Idaho 83647 Posts: 670 I Ride: 2008 FJR	Track is OK If you are on a "Closed course" like a track, you dont need a sticker or sparky. But if you are on public land or BLM land, you will then need both. As for the title work, again, go see the DMV in Mountain Home, by the court house.

07-05-2010, 10:44 PM	#8
Idaho Wolverine Senior Member Joined: May 2006 From: Mountain Home, Idaho 83647 Posts: 670 I Ride: 2008 FJR	What? Duck, you can get a fine for not having a spark arrestor at a closed track? When did that change?!

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07-04-2010, 11:39 PM	#3
mWhit Junior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: MHAFB Posts: 25 I Ride: 2006 R6S, 2003 YZ250	Ah cool, i work over in AMMO. Will i be able to apply for a title with a certificate of origin that hasn't been notarized? If so that would make the process easier for sure haha. The expensive part is going to be the spark arrestor problem, those aren't cheap. Maybe i can just JB weld some mesh into the end of the silencer and maybe they wouldn't say anything. The Sheriff that stopped by the track today couldn't tell if it had an arrestor or not either, he seen the mesh on the inside walls of the silencer but the outside wasn't stamped SA approved or whatever. Lucky he didn't cite me at all, just told me to pack it up and get a sticker next time since i'm barely over the 30 day grace period.

07-05-2010, 10:22 AM	#4
LckyTylr Senior Member Joined: Jun 2007 From: Boise Posts: 899	AMMO.......well Sh!t.....there isn't room for two of us on this site. I'm OUT! Just kidding, welcome. Do you know Eric Solasobal? I can't remember how to spell his last name. He's either still a Staff or now a Tech in Ammo. Good dude to know. You ever gonna bring your dirty bike to Boise area for a ride? Let us know, we have a lot of fun places to show you.

07-05-2010, 07:04 PM	#6
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 3,177 I Ride: The Armageddon, Orange Crush	$300 fine for not having it. I'm pretty certain you can get a sparky for less then that.

07-05-2010, 10:16 PM	#7
mWhit Junior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: MHAFB Posts: 25 I Ride: 2006 R6S, 2003 YZ250	Well they sell inserts only, but none that are made specifically for my silencer, i'm wondering if any of them would be the same diameter to fit in the tip of mine. Maybe Yamaha has one to look at.

07-06-2010, 09:00 AM	#9
theduckllr Senior Member Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 3,177 I Ride: The Armageddon, Orange Crush	No. The beefy fine is issued by the Forrest Service or County Sherriffs. On a closed course/private land you are welcome to duct tape a Briggs & Stratton into a wheel barrow and ride it if you want.

07-15-2010, 10:11 AM	#11
mWhit Junior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: MHAFB Posts: 25 I Ride: 2006 R6S, 2003 YZ250	Awesome update.... So somehow i have to contact all previous owners and get releases of interest signed by all of them. Including the guy who bought it in colorado from the dealer (not likely). And if i can't manage to get those i have to go through a bonded title package which involves sending cert leters to their old addresses in hopes they come back to me unopened lol. What a pain in the ass. Maybe i'll just go sell it in wyoming where they don't give a ###t if your bike is titled or not. Anyone want a good track bike w/o title? ^^ posted on correct thread this time.

07-15-2010, 10:12 AM	#12
whitedevil Senior Member Joined: May 2008 From: Que Nah Posts: 6,243 I Ride: F4i CBR600	How much without a title? hmmmmmm

07-15-2010, 10:55 AM	#13
IDAHOBALLER Senior Member Joined: Jul 2008 From: Merville, ID Posts: 827 I Ride: As often as possible!	That really sucks to hear about the title issues. I wouldnt have any clue what to do on that. As for the spark arrestor you have to buy a whole new muffler. Nobody makes an insert for the 2 stroke exhausts. Pro moto billet makes these inserts but they are only 4 stroke things since you cant use a screen type sparky on a smoker. Your options for regular performance spark arrestors are pretty much limited to the Pro Circuit "Nature friendly" s/a muffler, and the FMF Turbine core II s/a muffler. Either one can be bout for like $135 new. I like the FMF one best and have one on both my 250 and my 500.

07-15-2010, 10:56 AM	#14
mWhit Junior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: MHAFB Posts: 25 I Ride: 2006 R6S, 2003 YZ250	hrm, bought it for 1700, bought new hardware for brake pedal and changed oil 1 ride ago ($30 or so), but i wouldnt mind just getting my money back from the initial purchase. So... $1700.

07-16-2010, 11:42 AM	#19
turbolq4 Senior Member Joined: Aug 2009 From: mur-ville Posts: 1,165 I Ride: 95 CR500R, various sleds	http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com...-Arrestor.aspx ugly but cheaper than a new silencer

07-16-2010, 11:43 AM	#20
mWhit Junior Member Joined: Nov 2009 From: MHAFB Posts: 25 I Ride: 2006 R6S, 2003 YZ250	Positive note! I have contacted each person on the certificate of origin, thank you facebook. Now if the guy who sold it to me would start cooperating then i'll be set! Maybe a call from the investigator will put a fire under his ass. Pay your taxes people! :P

07-16-2010, 05:48 PM	#22
turbolq4 Senior Member Joined: Aug 2009 From: mur-ville Posts: 1,165 I Ride: 95 CR500R, various sleds	no prob, im sure you could find them cheaper than that, that was the first place i looked