Idaho Plane Crash - Inside Cockpit GoPro

BuellCru · 08-10-2012, 10:52 PM

Did you guys see this? Holy crap.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=835_1344412426

ConradM · 08-10-2012, 11:03 PM

Wow... scary.

Back Of The Pack · 08-13-2012, 06:24 PM

That sucks, crazy video lucky guys for sure

Hands On · 08-13-2012, 06:29 PM

I wonder what density altitude was. And useful load with that many guys in there.

TheDoctor46 · 08-13-2012, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hands On

I wonder what density altitude was. And useful load with that many guys in there.

I think the density alt. was around 7,500 or so. He should not have attempted that takeoff.

redi2ride · 08-13-2012, 09:29 PM

That suck's. Go pro is going and already has opened up a new world of experiences for us to gok at huh?

Kyle · 08-14-2012, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoctor46

I think the density alt. was around 7,500 or so. He should not have attempted that takeoff.

Bingo, that was unsafe to begin with. The calculated density alt. at the time was 9307 ft.

theduckllr · 08-14-2012, 01:03 PM

15 years ago I had to dead stick my malfunctioning plane onto State Street in Eagle. That was unnerving enough. Crashing into trees... eeeeeesh!!!

Hands On · 08-14-2012, 03:40 PM

Facts: Stinson 108-3 165 hp Franklin engine (when new!)
Useful load at sea level- 1080 lbs
Tempeature- 27˚C
RW 23
Wind - 160˚ at 08kts (almost direct xwind from the left)
Density Altitude- 9400 ft
Sea level power loading factor 14.5 lbs/hp
HorsePower reduction at 9400' - 33%
Useful load reduction to achieve sea level performance - 356 lbs
1080 - 356 = 724 lbs of useful load
Assume only a half a tank of fuel - 190 lbs gas
That leaves only 534 lbs for passengers, cameras, ipads, etc.
If those guys averaged , with gear, more than 133 lbs per? That plane should have flown out fine. None of them looked like 120 lb. weaklings. WAAAAY overloaded.

My rule when I fly is always a min 50/50 guy/girl ratio and no fat chicks allowed.

LckyTylr · 08-15-2012, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theduckllr

15 years ago I had to dead stick my malfunctioning plane onto State Street in Eagle. That was unnerving enough. Crashing into trees... eeeeeesh!!!

Are you KIDDING me!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

theduckllr · 08-15-2012, 11:44 PM

No kidding. Technically, since the fuel line kinked and I had to land with the engine off, it was considered a "crash landing". I called it "practice", and "driving an unlicensed vehicle on a public roadway". The family in the Suburban headed to church thought it was pretty exciting having to pull off the road so I could land. Nice folks as I remember. I bet the kids still remember that. I reconnected my fuel line, fired her up, and was back in the air within 5 minutes. Some folks thought I was nuts for buying an ultralight and taking it up without lessons. I figure you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Its called "adventure" for a reason.

Damn it, I miss that plane.

LckyTylr · 08-16-2012, 06:17 AM

Aye Vant Won!!!!

I'd love to fly, especially an ultralight. How sweet would that be!

max buffet · 08-19-2012, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle

Bingo, that was unsafe to begin with. The calculated density alt. at the time was 9307 ft.

I think the about 15-minute t/o roll and subsequent touchdown AND then continuing the t/o might have been a hint...

That said; Karma is a vindictive bitch. If you have never screwed up, you're a rare operator (pilot, driver, sailor, MC rider, etc...) that has never had bad judgement. If you're perfect, pile on.

Not defending him, but not throwing stones, either.
Max

whitedevil · 08-19-2012, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max buffet

I think the about 15-minute t/o roll and subsequent touchdown AND then continuing the t/o might have been a hint...

That said; Karma is a vindictive bitch. If you have never screwed up, you're a rare operator (pilot, driver, sailor, MC rider, etc...) that has never had bad judgement. If you're perfect, pile on.

Not defending him, but not throwing stones, either.
Max

I hate not being perfect, but it gives me a great excuse for all the times I screw up.

BuellCru · 08-19-2012, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max buffet

I think the about 15-minute t/o roll and subsequent touchdown AND then continuing the t/o might have been a hint...

That said; Karma is a vindictive bitch. If you have never screwed up, you're a rare operator (pilot, driver, sailor, MC rider, etc...) that has never had bad judgement. If you're perfect, pile on.

Not defending him, but not throwing stones, either.
Max

With that being said turn it to the motorcycle world. If for some reason I can't control a good line or something does not feel right about my bike I'm definitely not going to continue trying to push it.

Or, if a hot air balloon can only hold so much wait safely, I'm not going to throw a few extra people in as a novelty.

OR, if I decide to fly a plane I will understand the limitations of said plane and not agree to take a couple extra people and push the extreme.

I say all fault lies on the pilot. You cannot control a mechanical failure 100% but you can plan for the variables such as weight, temperature, etc.

I'm no pilot but I do dispatch fuel tankers and I would never go above the weight limitations of that equipment. i would not want to carry the weight of an unforeseen 'unfortunate' accident that could possibly result in me being sued because I was negligent and decided to over load a truck.

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08-10-2012, 11:03 PM	#2
ConradM Yup, Still a Post Whore Joined: Jan 2012 From: Boise ID Posts: 2,580 I Ride: '04 zx6r / '97 KX 250	Wow... scary.

08-13-2012, 06:24 PM	#3
Back Of The Pack Space Monkey Joined: Apr 2009 From: K-town Posts: 1,658 I Ride: Kinda	That sucks, crazy video lucky guys for sure

08-13-2012, 06:29 PM	#4
Hands On Priority Target Joined: Jul 2011 From: Boise, ID Posts: 438 I Ride: Daytona 675 / YZ450F	I wonder what density altitude was. And useful load with that many guys in there.

08-13-2012, 09:29 PM	#6
redi2ride Wookie Joined: Mar 2011 From: NAMPA, idaho center area Posts: 1,063 I Ride: HD SPORTSTER 1200CC CUSTOM	That suck's. Go pro is going and already has opened up a new world of experiences for us to gok at huh?

08-14-2012, 01:03 PM	#8
theduckllr Ghandi Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 3,854 I Ride: The Armageddon, Orange Crush	15 years ago I had to dead stick my malfunctioning plane onto State Street in Eagle. That was unnerving enough. Crashing into trees... eeeeeesh!!!

08-14-2012, 03:40 PM	#9
Hands On Priority Target Joined: Jul 2011 From: Boise, ID Posts: 438 I Ride: Daytona 675 / YZ450F	Facts: Stinson 108-3 165 hp Franklin engine (when new!) Useful load at sea level- 1080 lbs Tempeature- 27˚C RW 23 Wind - 160˚ at 08kts (almost direct xwind from the left) Density Altitude- 9400 ft Sea level power loading factor 14.5 lbs/hp HorsePower reduction at 9400' - 33% Useful load reduction to achieve sea level performance - 356 lbs 1080 - 356 = 724 lbs of useful load Assume only a half a tank of fuel - 190 lbs gas That leaves only 534 lbs for passengers, cameras, ipads, etc. If those guys averaged , with gear, more than 133 lbs per? That plane should have flown out fine. None of them looked like 120 lb. weaklings. WAAAAY overloaded. My rule when I fly is always a min 50/50 guy/girl ratio and no fat chicks allowed.

08-15-2012, 11:44 PM	#11
theduckllr Ghandi Joined: Aug 2007 From: Boise Posts: 3,854 I Ride: The Armageddon, Orange Crush	No kidding. Technically, since the fuel line kinked and I had to land with the engine off, it was considered a "crash landing". I called it "practice", and "driving an unlicensed vehicle on a public roadway". The family in the Suburban headed to church thought it was pretty exciting having to pull off the road so I could land. Nice folks as I remember. I bet the kids still remember that. I reconnected my fuel line, fired her up, and was back in the air within 5 minutes. Some folks thought I was nuts for buying an ultralight and taking it up without lessons. I figure you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Its called "adventure" for a reason. Damn it, I miss that plane.

08-16-2012, 06:17 AM	#12
LckyTylr Indiana Jones Joined: Jun 2007 From: Boise Posts: 1,157 I Ride: KTM's ! ! ! '07 690 SM & '13 300 XC	Aye Vant Won!!!! I'd love to fly, especially an ultralight. How sweet would that be!